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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Certainly not in Detroit, which has lost its fundamental reason for existence and is now an economic disaster zone. How an "independent Michigan" would solve that particular problem is beyond me, since it would be fiscally constrained in ways that a larger federal government is not.
edited 24th Aug '16 8:06:36 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I think secession is a bit too much. It might seems simple, but it's harder and messier than it looks. You have to gather support from foreign nations to recognize your independence, you have to deal with national borders and citizenship, you have to make your own currency that will obviously wreck your economy, and so on. Not worth it unless the current president of America is Bloodreaver Deathmaster the third.
Only an experienced editor who has a name possesses the ability to truly understand my work - What 90% of writers I'm in charge of said.Yeah, we do suck as a state.
The Province of Michigan actually doesn't sound that bad. Would you help us clean up Detroit?
On a serious note, there has been speculation that America could descend into civil war because of this election. No matter how ridiculous that sounds, tensions in America have been getting worse. Shootings, racial tensions, immigration.....
Who knows? Either it will be a civil war, or it won't. Simple as that.
I'll probably end up voting third party.
Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.Umm, have you looked at a map recently? Michigan, okay I'll give you that one. They'd have to go through the Great Lakes and up the St. Lawrence river or down the Lake Champlain shortcut. But Texas is right on the Gulf of Mexico, and Galveston is a major port city...
This Space Intentionally Left Blank.And with regards to Detroit, I guess the Canadian Army could use some practice. Gotta keep the troops sharp and overseas stuff is expensive.
edited 24th Aug '16 8:14:51 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.That's... really not a good argument.
Like
Either the sun will explode or it won't.
Either zombie apocalypse will happen or it won't.
Either alien invasion will happen or it won't.
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Okay, i guess I never get top mark in US geography. Yes, Texas does have access to the sea, whether the sea is recognized as Texas' is up to the air.
edited 24th Aug '16 8:17:16 AM by flameboy21th
Non Indicative UsernameCan someone explain to me how Hillary's few bone headed comments and somehow equal to Trump's proto-fascist platform and constant bombardment of bigotry and hatred? Like yeah Clinton has said some silly things, I'd estimate maybe a dozen or so, and? A dozen or so silly things is not equal to Trump, it's not even close.
Hell I doubt there's a third party candidate that hasn't said more insanely stupid things than Clinton has.
Clinton said that women and children are the main victiems of war, the Green Party are pacifists, flip flopping pro-Brexiters and Anti-Vaxers, the Libertarians hate the UN even though it's a big part of why we haven't had a Third World War.
I'd take Clinton's mild sillyness over the idiocy of third parties any day.
Still if you've got an argument for why a third party candidate is better than Clinton I'm all ears.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranHere are some quotes that back up my stance that Hillary might not be as good a choice as she thinks she is.
"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president."
....we?....No, seriously, what is she saying here?
"Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."
Every nation? All of them? Does this include nations like, oh, I don't know....Switzerland? Our love-hate buddies, Pakistan? Seriously, a policy like that sounds like such a bad idea, Ceresi Lannister would be proud. That is a sure-fire way to come across as a bully from the perspective of every other nation on the planet.
"I have said publicly no option should be off the table, but I would certainly take nuclear weapons off the table."
Sure, do that. I'm sure Putin is just as understanding and idealistic as you are. Let's ignore that the threat of nuclear warfare stopped humanity as a species from destroying ourselves several times over?
Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.Are we grading our Presidential candidates on their expressed willingness to commit genocide, now?
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Nukes are a beautiful paradox. We never should have had them, but we do, and the only way to make sure nobody uses them is threaten to use them right back.
If you take nukes off the table, even if you have them, you weaken your position a lot. If the other guy has nukes, they can use it against you, knowing that there is no fear of retaliation.
Please allow me to introduce myself, I am a man of wealth and taste. Nice to meet you, hope you can guess my name.Can we get some context on those quotes please? Especially the nuke one.
I have a feeling Clinton might have been talking about adopting a no first strike policy, which has been suggested a few times over the past few decades. But I know for a goddamn fact that Clinton isn't in favor of unilateral nuclear disarmament.
edited 24th Aug '16 8:40:08 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.The nuke quote seems to go back to 2007, when she primaried against Obama.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/us/politics/10cnd-clinton.html
The "Every nation" quot also seems to date back to 2007, but I can't yet find a specific story about it.
The "We are the president" has some discussion going on Snopes' message boards, allegedly dating back to '96 and attributed to one man's book.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=101;t=000384;p=1
edited 24th Aug '16 8:44:56 AM by sgamer82
That the press are assholes and she's not going to give them unlimited access just because. Sounds pretty good to me.
Assuming that hat she wasn't just trying to sound though. Yeah it includes the Swiss, who are hiding and terrorists, so that makes them our freinds. As for Pakistan, I mean I'd say she's exagerating for effect and that Pakistan will get a pass because the goverment is st least normally opposed to terrorism, but if she were to crack down on Pakistan, how would that be a bad thing?
The statement would come across as bullying if it was about forign policy in general, but it's not, it's about the specific act of harbouring and supporting terrorists currently at war with the US.
Seeing as Clinton has not called for the US to disarm it's nukes unilaterally the quote is clearly about a specific situation, (I'd guess Iran, but I could be wrong), it's perfectly legitimate and a good idea to take nukes off the table for certain situations. That's why the US didn't nukes China during the Korean War, it's why nobody launched nukes over Ukraine, it's a ballencing act.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

I know its recovered, but is it still located in Michigan?
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.