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#136026: Aug 23rd 2016 at 1:43:56 PM

Joseph Smith is debatable, considering Mormonism gets a lot of shit thrown its way by Christians, and presents a view of the Trinity that is contrary to mainstream Christian beliefs. Same with Jehovah's Witnesses.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#136027: Aug 23rd 2016 at 1:50:21 PM

I'll agree that Trump would be a foreign-policy disaster, and that Clinton is by far the better candidate of the pair, but saying "I wish the email scandal never happened" has one easy retort - she shouldn't have done it to begin with.

Hell, even if she's being truthful about Colin Powell advising her to use a private email (a claim Powell's disputed), even her claim said he'd told her to use an existing email (Hotmail, gmail, etc.), not establish her own server.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#136028: Aug 23rd 2016 at 1:52:38 PM

Plus the republican platform involves policies such as making it so only straight people can be parents (which would remove children from hundreds of loving families).

Or the bathroom bill plans, which put trans lives in danger.

Or the increase in ex gay therapy, which is synonymous with legalized torture.

Plus all the other policies that put minorities in danger.

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#136029: Aug 23rd 2016 at 1:56:27 PM

Yeah. He's probably not going to nuke the world or something, but a lot of American lives will be placed in danger by a Trump presidency. Many already have been by a Trump candidacy.

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#136030: Aug 23rd 2016 at 2:01:41 PM

[up][up][up] The worst you can reasonably say about the email thing is that it's a manufactured scandal over a lapse of judgment that was more institutional than personal, with no intent to harm the country's security and no culpable acts identified after an enormous amount of time and effort spent on investigations.

Further, it's yet another entry in the endless stream of witch hunts that the GOP has unleashed on Democratic politicians (and the Clintons in particular) in a deliberate effort to make the nation ungovernable. To even give them the appearance of legitimacy is to be complicit in their attempts to dismantle our executive branch.

edited 23rd Aug '16 2:03:30 PM by Fighteer

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#136031: Aug 23rd 2016 at 2:18:33 PM

A quick polling update:

"Clinton leads Trump by 12 points in Reuters/Ipsos poll" - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN10Y28J

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#136032: Aug 23rd 2016 at 2:38:49 PM

Actually, I could see Trump causing billions of deaths through via a nuclear exchange/the aftermath. Trump leaves NATO out to dry>Moscow gets overconfident>Situation in Eastern Europe escalates to violence>France/Russia/the United Kingdom panic (any combination works)>

Now, I'm not saying that's a certainty but undermining America's military deterrent is a monumentally stupid idea.

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#136033: Aug 23rd 2016 at 2:48:47 PM

Even ignoring that possibility there's the "Trump withdraws the US from East Asia, North Korea feels able to invade the South, South Korea fights back, North Korea uses its nukes to win the war and conquer South Korea" scenario that could happen with a Trump presidency.

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#136034: Aug 23rd 2016 at 5:55:35 PM

Seeing as climate change is an existential threat to humanity I'd say Trump really is a threat to billions of lives even if he doesn't fire any nukes. Frankly I think the entire GOP is. The Democrats aren't perfect on environmental stuff but I'm convinced that's mostly because the Republicans are waging such a massive smear campaign against any efforts to hold people accountable.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#136035: Aug 23rd 2016 at 6:00:50 PM

I think it's telling that all the right wing parties in EVERY major country in the world accepts man made climate change...except the GOP.

Like I said, if the Republic is to survive, there must a generational effort to remove them from power at every level of government, from the backwoods of West Virginia to the High Tech suburbs of Silicon Valley.

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#136036: Aug 23rd 2016 at 6:24:06 PM

accepts? Yes. Actually do anything? That's a whole different story. The conservatives spent the better part of a decade denying climate change and working hard as hell to ignore clean energy to the point that that the provinces had to start making their own policy. We may be finally getting a national level cap and trade/carbon tax system and proper investment in green tech but we're behind the 8 ball.

India/china are still heavily reliant on coal burning for their energy and from what I gather neither are going to be slowing down production any time soon.

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#136037: Aug 23rd 2016 at 6:25:53 PM

I heard that the next wave of economic development may be fueled by nuclear power.

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#136038: Aug 23rd 2016 at 6:26:04 PM

Coal is short-term cheap and labor-efficient. China and India are not massively wealthy.

Ergo.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#136039: Aug 23rd 2016 at 6:52:56 PM

India is upping electric power reactor construction so to get off of coal. Just signed a deal with Westinghouse in fact.

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#136040: Aug 23rd 2016 at 7:28:16 PM

Radiophobia will put a stop to a lot of nuclear initiatives, unfortunately.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#136041: Aug 23rd 2016 at 7:51:06 PM

@Silasw: At which point Japan immediately turns the screwdriver and becomes a nuclear power, which doesn't make East Asia any safer.

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#136042: Aug 23rd 2016 at 7:59:08 PM

I wonder how the Paris deal will change things in the long run. I'm worried President Trump would just withdraw the US from it.

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BrainSewage from that one place Since: Jan, 2001
#136043: Aug 23rd 2016 at 8:04:18 PM

@Jack: I've actually read recently that nuclear power is on its way out, at least in the US. The startup and maintenance costs are astronomical, not to mention all the regulatory standards (not that I don't think they're necessary). Business is incredibly short-sighted, and fossil fuels will always be cheaper this quarter, so there you have it.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#136044: Aug 23rd 2016 at 8:10:29 PM

Normally the government would be the ones investing, but since everyone is irrationally terrified of it, that's not happening. It's not "on its way out" so much as "still hasn't become a thing." We'll get nuclear power eventually, it's just taking a frustrating amount of time. Hell, at this rate we might get fusion technology before it becomes widespread.

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#136045: Aug 23rd 2016 at 8:11:31 PM

Honestly I'd be perfectly fine with waiting for fusion.

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#136046: Aug 23rd 2016 at 8:14:09 PM

[up][up][up] I didn't mean in the west, where the environmental and anti nuclear movements,not to mention the Simpsons, have basically killed off the industry, but in China, India and Africa, where the populace and leaders have had different experiences. China in particular is rapidly building up it's nuclear industry.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#136047: Aug 23rd 2016 at 8:17:24 PM

There's been almost no new nuclear power development in the US since Three Mile Island. There's a very strong NIMBY sentiment even how many (40?) years later. That said, even Greenpeace has admitted that nuclear is orders of magnitude better than burning coal, which is way more radioactive than a properly functioning nuclear plant.

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#136049: Aug 23rd 2016 at 9:33:22 PM

[up]Why is Hillary worse than a guy who openly wants to make a major religious demographic into second-class citizens, and seems to believe that the family members of terrorists should be executed on principle?

I mean, seriously, that's coming from a guy (me) who supported Bush throughout both his terms and was prepared to vote for Ted Cruz. Trump is no beuno.

edited 23rd Aug '16 9:35:06 PM by Protagonist506

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#136050: Aug 23rd 2016 at 9:34:49 PM

Forgive me if I disagree. I'd much rather have Hillary as president for the next eight years than have any current Republican in office. I like having human rights.


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