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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#135876: Aug 21st 2016 at 4:26:57 PM

It's pretty much just human nature to gravitate towards people who agree with you. I don't think I'd have much fun posting about issues dear to my heart in r/thedonald.

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randomdude4 Since: May, 2011
#135877: Aug 21st 2016 at 5:00:44 PM

[up][up][up] Agreed, but I'd also say that this place is pretty hostile towards conservatism. I've seen plenty of times where people talk about politics as left = good, right = bad.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#135878: Aug 21st 2016 at 5:03:41 PM

[up]Yeah, but at least sometimes they get called out on that.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#135879: Aug 21st 2016 at 5:06:54 PM

[up] I always call that shit out when I see it.

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#135880: Aug 21st 2016 at 6:01:41 PM

Trump predicts he can win 95 percent of the black vote

...Did I wake up in Bizzaro world or something?

As has already been pointed out, that's not entirely accurate. He's saying that if he wins the Presidency, then 95% of black voters will vote for him on re-election because African-Americans will be SO IMPRESSED by how much good he does for them in four years.

His actual pitch, however, was hilarious in classic Trump style.

“You're living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs. Fifty-eight percent of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose?”

Trump is running on the platform that there's no reason for black people to not vote for him on account of the fact that their lives are so shitty that it would be impossible for him to make them worse.

edited 21st Aug '16 6:04:04 PM by TobiasDrake

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#135881: Aug 21st 2016 at 6:12:19 PM

Of course, then Trump will take personal offense to the idea that he can't do something, even if he's the one who said he couldn't and try and do it anyway.

Advarielle Homicidal Editor Since: Aug, 2016
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#135882: Aug 21st 2016 at 7:16:47 PM

I don't think it's solely the fault of this thread that it's leaning left. The right got Trump. They have so many candidates and they pick Trump. I mean I don't think he is even a conservative. A megalomaniac plutocrat maybe?

I even wonder why the conservatives consider voting for him. The only thing he seems to care is himself and his family I hope. The only thing that I can think of is that they want him to change the name of USA to United States of Trumpica or something like that.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#135883: Aug 21st 2016 at 7:25:26 PM

If Trump wins, I'm partial to calling the US the Free American Empire.tongue

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#135884: Aug 21st 2016 at 7:51:24 PM

[up][up]Conservatives I've seen support Trump have done so somewhat reluctantly. Their motive is usually along the lines of "you got to vote for the lesser evil, and as bad as Trump is, at least he's not Hillary".

edited 21st Aug '16 7:51:46 PM by Protagonist506

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#135885: Aug 21st 2016 at 7:56:05 PM

[up]other is party loyalty, "im republican and republican I stay" or my party, right or wrong, there is the oportunist and those who maybe think can control him, but trump like chaos, cant be control by anyone

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Cid El Cid Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#135886: Aug 21st 2016 at 8:05:41 PM

[up]Which is meaningless without the second part: my party right or wrong, if right 'll keep it right, if wrong I'll make it right.

What's the point of choosing the lesser evil if they won't make any effort to improve when the big one is defeated?

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#135887: Aug 21st 2016 at 8:22:42 PM

Also I'm sorry but if you legitimately think Trump is a "lesser evil" you have some VERY skewed priorities.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#135888: Aug 21st 2016 at 8:27:12 PM

[up]Oh, I don't think Trump is a lesser evil by a long shot.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#135889: Aug 21st 2016 at 9:01:58 PM

And in unfortunate news, Huma Abedin, wife of Anthony Weiner and one of Clinton's top aides (allegedly on the short-list for Chief of Staff if Clinton wins) worked at the "Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs" as assistant-editor from the mid-'90s to 2008 while interning for First Lady Clinton, and to say it's a conservative paper is a massive understatement... and kind of explains why Abedin has stayed with Weiner in spite of his philandering. Emphasis mine.

Headlined “Women’s Rights are Islamic Rights,” a 1996 article argues that single moms, working moms and gay couples with children should not be recognized as families. It also states that more revealing dress ushered in by women’s liberation “directly translates into unwanted results of sexual promiscuity and irresponsibility and indirectly promote violence against women.” In other words, sexually liberated women are just asking to be raped.

“A conjugal family established through a marriage contract between a man and a woman, and extended through procreation is the only definition of family a Muslim can accept,” the author, a Saudi official with the Muslim World League, asserted, while warning of “the dangers of alternative lifestyles.” (Abedin’s journal was founded and funded by the former head of the Muslim World League.)

“Pushing [mothers] out into the open labor market is a clear demonstration of a lack of respect of womanhood and motherhood,” it added.

In a separate January 1996 article, Abedin’s mother — who was the Muslim World League’s delegate to the UN conference — wrote that Clinton and other speakers were advancing a “very aggressive and radically feminist” agenda that was un-Islamic and wrong because it focused on empowering women.

“‘Empowerment’ of women does more harm than benefit the cause of women or their relations with men,” Saleha Mahmood Abedin maintained, while forcefully arguing in favor of Islamic laws that have been roundly criticized for oppressing women.

“By placing women in the ‘care and protection’ of men and by making women responsible for those under her charge,” she argued, “Islamic values generate a sense of compassion in human and family relations.”

“Among all systems of belief, Islam goes the farthest in restoring equality across gender,” she claimed. “Acknowledging the very central role women play in procreation, child-raising and homemaking, Islam places the economic responsibility of supporting the family primarily on the male members.”

She seemed to rationalize domestic abuse as a result of “the stress and frustrations that men encounter in their daily lives.” While denouncing such violence, she didn’t think it did much good to punish men for it.

She added in her 31-page treatise: “More men are victims of domestic violence than women . . . If we see the world through ‘men’s eyes’ we will find them suffering from many hardships and injustices.”

She opposed the UN conference widening the scope of the definition of the family to include “gay and lesbian ‘families.’ ”

Huma Abedin does not apologize for her mother’s views. “My mother was traveling around the world to these international women’s conferences talking about women’s empowerment, and it was normal,” she said in a recent profile in Vogue.

And let's face it - if it came out that Trump was employing someone high-up that firmly (and publicly) believed in Stay in the Kitchen, he'd be getting it from both barrels here.

edited 21st Aug '16 9:14:19 PM by ironballs16

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#135890: Aug 21st 2016 at 9:18:41 PM

Well, as the article points out this isn't very well known. Can't criticize what you don't know about. This is personally the first time I've even heard of this woman, or who Weiner was married to. (Mostly because I tend not to care about who politicians are married to. It's not that interesting, usually.)

Me, I'm personally meh on it. I don't think this changes anything about Clinton's policies or my opinions on them. And I don't think politicians are required to only have those who agree with them on every issue as advisers.

edited 21st Aug '16 9:20:36 PM by AceofSpades

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#135891: Aug 21st 2016 at 9:27:29 PM

[up][up]It might not even be a matter of "if," since you can just swap out Islam for Christianity and find that such viewpoints are unfortunately not unknown to Republicans.

But of course, if any attention is given to this (which it might not be, depending on how quickly any hypocrisy comes to light), it will be made a uniquely Muslim problem, and not an issue present in many forms of religious conservatism.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#135892: Aug 22nd 2016 at 12:08:55 AM

Trump has actually discussed continuing 'The Apprentice' from the White House with NBC execs, says @Sarahlellison.

[1]

Goddammit Trump

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#135893: Aug 22nd 2016 at 12:10:19 AM

Yup, a few name replacements and that sounds like your average evangelical's platform. Actually had to read it twice to figure out the entirety of what was being said.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#135894: Aug 22nd 2016 at 2:56:21 AM

@This Thread Being a "Circlejerk": It absolutely is. Not as bad as certain subreddits, and certainly more intellectual than most online political discussions, but it's more or less impossible to avoid if you don't deliberately bring in opposed perspectives.

Otherwise, it self selects against such perspectives, except for those who deliberately seek out debate.

edited 22nd Aug '16 3:03:17 AM by CaptainCapsase

Advarielle Homicidal Editor Since: Aug, 2016
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#135895: Aug 22nd 2016 at 3:12:30 AM

Then, for the sake of discussion, is there any good reason to vote for Trump or stand up for him? Because I got nothing. Well, you really hate Hillary or you really admire Trump's business practices do come to my mind , but I don't think those two are a good reason.

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Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#135896: Aug 22nd 2016 at 3:14:16 AM

Hmm.

So the whole, "Fuck the Republcians" thing goes like this from where I'm sitting as a gay guy with other LGBT friends:

The Republican Party is outright attempting to abolish my civil rights and legalize discrimination based on sexuality, in addition to banning same sex marriage and tactly supporting conversion therapy.

So forgive me if I take that a bit personally.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#135897: Aug 22nd 2016 at 3:30:37 AM

[up][up] He's not entirely without virtue, and for the GOP he'd be relatively easy to control due to his lack of understanding or interest in the minutiae of governance.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#135898: Aug 22nd 2016 at 3:34:14 AM

[up][up] Yeah it's really difficult to entertain the other side's viewpoints when their primary platform is that gays and muslims aren't people.

There's just nothing to debate anymore, the Republican party is too far gone.

Oh really when?
Advarielle Homicidal Editor Since: Aug, 2016
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#135899: Aug 22nd 2016 at 3:45:16 AM

[up][up] I could see that, but if that's the truth, the right aren't voting for Trump, but the man behind him, right? [lol]

On a more serious note, easy to control and and not understanding the intricacies of governance aren't synonymous. I don't think that it'll be easy to control him.

Another idea come to my mind, the right vote for him because Trump will change America and America needs change. I've no doubt that he'll change America and America do need to change. Of course, Trump isn't exactly the ideal harbinger of change.

I think Hillary's greatest weakness is that her platform doesn't offer change. Sure, she offers stability, but she doesn't satisfy the people's desire for change. Who would have thought a nation that is so vibrant and diverse like America can become somewhat stagnant.

edited 22nd Aug '16 3:54:06 AM by Advarielle

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#135900: Aug 22nd 2016 at 4:19:22 AM

[up]

Those vibrations cancel each other out.

edited 22nd Aug '16 4:19:38 AM by TerminusEst

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