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#135751: Aug 19th 2016 at 9:25:54 AM

[up]Do you think you could quote the entire article? I want to read the whole thing, but when there's an obnoxious paywall blocking your way, that's kind of hard to do.

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#135752: Aug 19th 2016 at 9:33:15 AM

[up][up][up] That would be true a few years ago. But things have changed.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#135753: Aug 19th 2016 at 9:33:37 AM

[up][up]There's not too much else to it except that the guy was possibly homeless and had all sorts of white supremacist tattoos and doesn't seem to be connected to any organizations.

edited 19th Aug '16 9:33:56 AM by Elle

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#135754: Aug 19th 2016 at 9:44:30 AM

@Trump and Anti-Semitism.

I am hardly surprised over that, no wonder the /pol/ tards can't shut the fuck up about Trump, he is one of them.

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#135755: Aug 19th 2016 at 9:45:44 AM

I'd like to point out that the apology was an utter non apology. He said "he regrets" saying things that hurt people but then never points to any specific thing he said or position he's held, and ever actually says the words "sorry" or "I apologize."

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#135756: Aug 19th 2016 at 9:46:04 AM

the people who sympathize with them are what really matters, and there's plenty of people around who are put off by the GOP solely due to their backwards stances on particular social issues.

Sure but that's not going to happen. Trump can't control the party and can't truly speak for it, he can speak for himself and shape some of the image but even if he was on the far left socially he's chosen to put an R next to his name and as such it doesn't matter anymore.

LGBT allies aren't idiots, Trump got no gains out of Orlando even when some Republicans realised that maybe LGBT folks were humans too. Trump can't swing to the left socially, he cannot bring himself to do it personally, he can't control the party enough to swing it to the left, he can't control his supporters enough to stop them from targeting women and LGBT folks with abuse and he can't break his association with the anti-LGBT wing of the Republican Party.

Sure if Donald Trump wasn't Donald Trump, had total control over the Republican Party, didn't have Donal Trump's supporters as his key base and hadn't made alliances with well know LGBT-haters, he could win the election.

But he is, he doesn't, they are and he has. So he can't.

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#135757: Aug 19th 2016 at 10:30:54 AM

Quoting full article now:

Daniel Rowe was apparently enraged at the sight of a black man and a white woman kissing on the streets of Olympia, Wash., Tuesday night. But police say he hid his violent intent behind a stony face until he was close enough to strike.

The attack happened about 8:30 p.m. in the state’s capital city on Fourth Avenue, a classic downtown street busy with people going to a local movie theater or visiting bars and restaurants.

Rowe had recently been released from Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla, about 300 miles away. Police say he may have been among the ranks of the state’s homeless, who flock to Olympia for help on their way to Portland or Seattle.

Rowe, 32, walked up to the couple and, without warning, yelled a racial slur and lunged with his knife, police say. The blade grazed the woman and went into the man’s hip, according to a news release from Olympia police.

“The suspect is unknown to the victims and the attack appears to have been unprovoked,” police said in the statement.

After the attack, Rowe ran off as stunned onlookers dialed 911. The 47-year-old male victim, not realizing how badly he was injured, chased Rowe and “tripped him up,” said Lt. Paul Lower, a police department spokesman. Rowe hit his head on the ground and was knocked unconscious.

No one involved had life-threatening injuries, but police said Rowe’s behavior grew stranger as officers tried to wrestle him into the back of a patrol car.

“He tells them, ‘Yeah, I stabbed them. I’m a white supremacist,'” Lower said. “He begins talking about Donald Trump rallies and attacking people at the Black Lives Matter protest.”

According to court documents obtained by the Olympian, Rowe, who was unconscious when police encountered him, had tattoos that read “skinhead,” “white power” and “hooligan.” One tattoo showed the Confederate flag.

Rowe was arrested and booked into the Thurston County Jail on two charges of first-degree assault and possible malicious harassment, which in Washington state is a designation used for hate crimes. The investigation continues.

“This has all the hallmarks of a hate crime,” Deputy Prosecutor Joseph Wheeler said at Rowe’s court hearing Wednesday, according to the Olympian. “This black-and-white couple was simply expressing their love for one another.”

According to the newspaper, Rowe had been imprisoned for a 2008 conviction for second-degree robbery.

Rowe told police he had come to Olympia in response to anti-police graffiti that had been written over the weekend. Police were still investigating who wrote the graffiti, the spokesman said.

As the capital city and seat of the Washington state government, Olympia has seen its share of protests on controversial national and local topics, Lower said.

A year ago, protesters organized several demonstrations after a police officer shot and wounded two black men accused of stealing beer. The Seattle Times described the protest:

It all began Saturday night when 150 protesters, some wearing masks, marched through downtown to counter-protest a planned gathering of white supremacists, an Olympia Police Department spokeswoman said Sunday.

Some vehicle windows were broken and car tires were slashed. A man was stabbed in the arm about 9:30 p.m. Saturday, although that incident was thought to be unrelated to the protest, police spokeswoman Laura Wohl said.

In 2014, the FBI reported 5,479 hate crimes across the United States, a 14.6 percent decrease from 2013.

Lower stressed that Rowe is not connected to any of the city’s protest groups.

In fact, investigators aren’t sure whether he is connected to anyone in the area, Lower said. And officers were scratching their heads at Rowe’s comments about fighting Black Lives Matter during a Donald Trump rally. Neither had events planned in Washington this week.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#135758: Aug 19th 2016 at 11:32:02 AM

A possibly former Trump supporter who identifies as half-Indian (not sure if that means Indian from India or Native heritage) was kicked out of a rally. Even he realizes that it was due to his skin colour.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/19/politics/indian-man-ejected-trump-rally/index.html

The Trump machine isn't even trying to be anything more than a Stormfront LARP, are they?

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speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#135759: Aug 19th 2016 at 11:34:06 AM

So much for the newer, softer Trump.

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#135760: Aug 19th 2016 at 11:46:16 AM

Apparently Clinton got the idea to use e-mail by following the example of another State Sec the GOP has been careful not to mention.

Hillary Clinton told the FBI that her predecessor Colin Powell recommended that she use a private email account during her tenure as Secretary of State, according to a new report. The New York Times reported on the revelation Thursday, based on notes from Clinton's interview with the FBI about her server that were delivered to Congress this week, and on a preview of a book about Bill Clinton's post-presidential years.

The notes from the FBI's interview with Clinton, conducted during its probe of the issue, reveal that she told investigators that Powell had advised her to use a private account. Additionally, an excerpt from journalist Joe Conason's upcoming book on Bill Clinton, "Man of the World: The Further Endeavors of Bill Clinton," provides more detail. In the book, Conason recounts a scene at a dinner party in 2009 — attended by other former Secretaries of State, including host Madeleine Albright, Condoleezza Rice and Henry Kissinger, in addition to Powell — where they each offered Clinton guidance and advice as she prepared to take the reins of the State Department.

According to Conason's book, it was at this dinner that Powell told Clinton to use a personal email account. As the Times reports, Conason wrote, "Toward the end of the evening, over dessert, Albright asked all of the former secretaries to offer one salient bit of counsel to the nation's next top diplomat. Powell told her to use her own email, as he had done, except for classified communications, which he had sent and received via a State Department computer."

Reached for comment, Powell's team told CNN he has "no recollection" of the conversation described in Conason's book, though he did provide her a memo regarding his own email use at the State Dept. Powell Principal Assistant Peggy Cifrinio's said in a statement that the former secretary of state did write Clinton an email memo describing his use of his personal AOL email account for unclassified messages.

"At the time there was no equivalent system within the Department," Cifrinio said. "He used a secure State computer on his desk to manage classified information. The General no longer has the email he sent to former Secretary Clinton. It may exist in State or FBI files." Cifrinio referred to Powell's memoir, "It Worked For Me," where he discussed his use of a private email address while Secretary of State, for more detail.

CNN has reached out to the Clinton campaign and has not yet received a response. Conason also says Clinton had decided to use a personal account before the episode with Powell, though Powell's advice "confirmed" her thinking. "Saying that his use of a personal email had been transformative for the department, (Powell) thus confirmed a decision (Clinton) had made months earlier — to keep her personal account and use it for most messages," Conason wrote.

While Clinton has pointed to Powell and Rice as examples of previous Secretaries of State who used their personal email accounts, advancements in email technology and the widespread adoption of email for government use since Powell's term cast Clinton's use of a private email account in a sharply different light. Powell worked at the State Dept. during email's infancy, operating on an antiquated system through which he would have sent far fewer emails. Furthermore, though Powell admitted to using personal email account on the job, he did not set up a private email server at his personal residence the way that Clinton did in Chappaqua, New York.

Clinton's use of a private email server during her time as Secretary of State emerged as a major flashpoint in the 2016 presidential election, raising questions about Clinton's judgment, transparency and honesty. While the FBI ultimately decided that Clinton's actions didn't warrant criminal prosecution after an investigation, critics have highlighted the issue as an example of an unfair standard of justice for the Clintons. Others have questioned Clinton's motives for establishing her unprecedented private email network.

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Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#135761: Aug 19th 2016 at 11:52:34 AM

I think it's hilarious that he was "totally shocked" that people at a trump rally would engage in racial profiling.

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#135762: Aug 19th 2016 at 12:03:40 PM

An article on Mic about how Donald Trump losing the election won't stop him from fucking over the country in other ways. In short, he'll pull conservatism in the US further to the right.

Looks like he's given up on all that. In its place, Trump is banking on an improbable win predicated entirely on the minority of predominantly white, male voters who find him and Breitbart equally appealing. It's a bad deal for someone genuinely seeking the presidency, but a great deal for the fringe conservatives who have found their mouthpiece in Trump.

Sure, the evil that men do lives after them. But even worse is the prospect that the 70-year-old Trump has no plans to excuse himself from the political arena if Nov. 8 goes badly for him, and the near certainty his shadow will be hanging over U.S. politics a long, long time.

Lest anyone conclude this is a purely Trumpist phenomenon, this is the logical endpoint of decades of Republican Party officials alternately shrugging and cheerleading as their party moved ever-further to the far right. If the Trump-Breitbart alliance is the black hole of conservative politics in 2016, it should be remembered who exactly scoffed at the idea there's no such thing as an event horizon, a point of no return, a great crunch that destroys all.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#135763: Aug 19th 2016 at 12:44:05 PM

I thought Trump specifically said he would retire from politics if he lost.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#135764: Aug 19th 2016 at 12:44:59 PM

[up] Obligatory "Trump says a lot of things..."

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#135765: Aug 19th 2016 at 12:48:26 PM

Trump might be trying to change his tune, but I certainly think it's too little too late, and I hope other people do as well. Sure, he's finally learning to follow the standard model of looking and sounding nice while changing nothing about what he wants to do. But the cat's out of the bag and people know it. The guy is more proud of his crowds than his polls, and people can see how that crowd behaves, with the dissonance and hypocrisy in plain sight.

After his speech using "extreme vetting" to bring people who uphold American values, The Daily Show asked some of his supporters at a rally about their thoughts on gay rights, religious freedom, and gender equality, and it went about as well as you would expect.

edited 19th Aug '16 12:48:50 PM by Eschaton

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#135766: Aug 19th 2016 at 12:49:10 PM

Some food for thought, as I've been reading a bit about the history of the urban/rural divide in the US:

A graduate of the University of Vermont, Elijah left the mountains at age 20 in 1805 intent on becoming a school teacher in the South, a common enough ambition for young educated New England men determined not to become mired back home as impoverished plowboys. He made his way into southwest Virginia near Lynchburg where he eventually took over as a tutor in a plantation neighborhood. After marrying into a prominent slave-holding family, Elijah stunned his entire antislavery family back in Vermont by abandoning the teaching business to become a slave-holding planter himself. “You must not think too badly of slaveholders,” he cautioned his doubtless disapproving father back in Vermont, “for your son is one.” While he owned a political newspaper, The Virginian, Elijah stayed mostly out of politics preferring, like many of his fellow planters, to adopt a detached worldview, focusing on conserving the slave-holding, rural way of life. Reform and change, he came to believe, were disruptive, unwelcome elements in his pastoral world.

This is a lovely little reminder of how quickly my brother adopted the worldview of conservatives once he joined the manosphere, with his belief that “anyone can find a job, even if they’re heavily discriminated against, no matter what, if they work hard enough” (recently expressed), and his apparent dividing people by hierarchy (men above women, whites above other races, etc.).

That example quoted above is an example of, well, this:

According to many contemporary political observers, people don’t make cities liberal—cities make people liberal. The gap is so stark that some of America’s bluest cities are located in its reddest states. For example, all of Texas’ major cities—Austin, Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio—voted Democratic in 2012; likewise, other red-state urban areas—Atlanta, Indy, New Orleans, Birmingham, Tucson, Little Rock and Charleston, South Carolina—also voted Democratic.

Elijah from the example above is the brother of a man named Calvin, who moved to an urban area, whereas Elijah moved to a rural area. What became of Calvin’s views?

When Texas was admitted into the Union in January 1845, Calvin saw the moment as Judgment Day: “I fear it is to hasten the punishment for the national sins & the greatest is negro slavery.” Living in a city where he came to know the prominent minister and activist Henry Ward Beecher (who pastored an Indianapolis Presbyterian Church), Calvin’s antislavery advocacy grew even more forceful. Calvin passionately supported other reforms too, including the temperance movement and the common school reform, first initiated by Horace Mann.

Meanwhile Elijah’s reaction to Calvin’s relentless reform activities was to demean them as “hobbies”—a dismissal that reveals as much about Elijah’s own detached, laissez-faire worldview as it does about Calvin’s reforming zeal.

The article isn’t much longer than this, but it brings up the idea that this past isn’t so far in the past – the divide that changes people based on where they live exists today.

The country is increasingly urbanizing, right? I see that as a great thing.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#135767: Aug 19th 2016 at 1:00:04 PM

I think a big part of that might be that it's a lot easier to hate the "other" when there's only like 20,000 people within three hours drive and you notice anyone who doesn't fit in. When you live in a city of millions, you can't notice anyone who sticks out, because there are just so many people that your brain tunes most of them out. Essentially, the "other" is just a huge amorphous blob of people you see every day with no real defining features because all the features and customs are included in it.

edited 19th Aug '16 1:03:48 PM by Zendervai

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Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#135768: Aug 19th 2016 at 1:03:37 PM

White Flight is already reversing as folks move back into the cities, although this is increasing the desperation of urban poor by sending property rates through the roof. What you'll see is greater self-selection between the haves and the have-nots because the poor will be forced out of the cities and into the countryside.

Although the reforms to stop "Black Flight" are fairly easy to implement. It's not that they want to leave the cities, but poor people, many minorities, would have no choice otherwise.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#135769: Aug 19th 2016 at 1:24:02 PM

CNN released a new projection that moved New Hampshire, Virginia and Pennsylvania from battleground status to leaning Clinton.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/19/politics/road-to-270-electoral-college-map-3-august/index.html

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#135770: Aug 19th 2016 at 2:34:23 PM

[up][up][up][up]The US will never be entirely urbanized...we have way too much country. There's not enough city to go around.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#135771: Aug 19th 2016 at 2:37:19 PM

Plus, you know, practicality requires us to leave at some of it for farmland.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#135773: Aug 19th 2016 at 3:06:23 PM

[up]Useful but I think the conditions that would be needed to require we depend on it (population increase to many times what it is now) are extensive; I'm not sure we'd hit it in my lifetime even with population doubling regularly and that assumes we don't have an actual apocalyptic level catastrophe in the meantime.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#135774: Aug 19th 2016 at 3:13:29 PM

I very much doubt that we'll balloon that much in our lifetimes. Maybe a couple hundred years down the road. In any case, just building cities everywhere and having no farmland or wildlife preserves or really any area that's been left alone by urban development would be disastrous for the planet in general.

Also, vertical farming wouldn't, as far as I can tell, totally make rural populations cease to exist. And Capsase... you're sounding like you're trying to propose a solution when I wasn't even presenting a problem or a question. I don't think having farmland or rural populations are in and of themselves problems. Nor was I trying to refute anyone's previous point.

This is veering off the topic, probably.

edited 19th Aug '16 3:15:21 PM by AceofSpades

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#135775: Aug 19th 2016 at 3:20:58 PM

I was just talking about hypotheticals.


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