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SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#135576: Aug 17th 2016 at 2:45:26 PM

[up] So I call Jack out for being rude and not actually trying to explain why the other argument was wrong, and I'm somehow insulting him? Mind you, just telling people to shut up without explaining yourself should be something to at least get you thumped.

I honestly don't get you guys.

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A procrastination in of itself
#135577: Aug 17th 2016 at 2:48:07 PM

I was talking to both you and Jack with that paragraph. If you think someone deserves a thump holler their post.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#135578: Aug 17th 2016 at 2:49:21 PM

Bat has a history of doing nothing in this tread but America-bashing but y'all need to cool it. Answering anger with anger makes everyone more angry.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#135579: Aug 17th 2016 at 2:50:43 PM

I'm just pissed off at the state it's been in for the last few years.

Fighteer MOD Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#135580: Aug 17th 2016 at 2:53:49 PM

[up] We get it. But hyperbolic statements that are demonstrably false contribute nothing useful to the conversation. If that's all you can say, then don't say anything.

@Jack: Chill the bleep out, man. You've done okay about holding back on the hysteria, but that doesn't mean we'll put up with other forms of mischief like attacking users.

@Sci Fi Slasher: Don't moderate the topic. Let us do that.

edited 17th Aug '16 2:55:07 PM by Fighteer

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#135581: Aug 17th 2016 at 2:56:27 PM

[up][up]So are many of us but we find ways to express that which aren't blanket hyperbolic condemnations.

And we're a long way from countries that do have strongmen intimidating people at the polls insofar as it has not actually happened yet and its unlikely people would be able to get away with it without massive uproar and in most places law enforcement moving in to intervene.

edited 17th Aug '16 2:57:43 PM by Elle

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#135582: Aug 17th 2016 at 2:57:30 PM

Ow... Obama was sassy in 2008

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#135583: Aug 17th 2016 at 3:00:33 PM

Damn, I'd say the years weren't kind with Obama but I know being the president of the United States is something that just destroys you.

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OrionAurora Constellation from Andromeda Galaxy Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Constellation
#135584: Aug 17th 2016 at 3:07:04 PM

Coming out of the shadows again to drop this.

It's 270towin's electoral map showcasing the current polls of each state in either safe, lean, (for the respective candidates) or tossup. For you Clinton supporters, the map projects her at 273 E Vs with the combined safe and lean states (PA and VA included). GA and AZ are in the tossup category.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#135585: Aug 17th 2016 at 3:34:32 PM

I'm a bit worried that wikileaks might have a truly nasty October surprise in the waiting. It's been a long time since an election has been swung in that manner, but it's also been a long time since we've had an election year like this one.

edited 17th Aug '16 3:35:15 PM by CaptainCapsase

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#135586: Aug 17th 2016 at 3:35:43 PM

If they had anything they'd have used it back when Bernie was still in it. Unless they've been Trump supporters and white supremacists this entire time.

Which doesn't seem unlikely now to be honest.

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#135587: Aug 17th 2016 at 3:36:45 PM

[up] If the rumors about them getting their info from Russia is true, the Russians would presumably hold out on them until just before the election, at which point they'd release it because that's what they'd do, even though the responsible thing would be to wait until AFTER the election because Trump is so horrible, and it's in Putin's interest to see Trump get into power.

edited 17th Aug '16 3:38:17 PM by CaptainCapsase

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#135588: Aug 17th 2016 at 3:40:35 PM

Then push the fact that the info comes from the Russians. Turn nationalism against the Republican voter base. What's more important to them? Sovereignty from the Russians and our enemies or ethnic purity?

Is a White America really worth having a foreign puppet run the Oval Office?

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#135589: Aug 17th 2016 at 3:47:56 PM

[up] For the most part, the Trump supporters I've encountered could care less if Russia openly admitted to being the source of whatever ends up leaking in October.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#135590: Aug 17th 2016 at 3:50:22 PM

That might convert the Republicans that are on the fence, but people who were enthusiastically supporting Trump from the get-go are unlikely to be swayed.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#135591: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:03:44 PM

Honestly if there is a strong link between Putin and Trump, I can't see most Reps endorsing him, I get they'd tolerate Trump's white supremacist policies, but openly aligning with the Russians? No way.

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#135592: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:07:17 PM

[up][up]

In fairness, though, the thinking could then go "Well if they didn't want this shit to get out, they shouldn't have done it in the first place." Hell, I'll admit that (depending on the info and/or veracity of it) I could be discouraged from voting for Clinton - still wouldn't be Trump, but that'd be one less vote for Hillary.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#135593: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:13:17 PM

@Captain- I know you don't want Trump to win, but really, are you "worried" about it being true or hoping it's true because it would bear out your belief that Clinton is The Evul?

Because you keep bringing up how much you "worry" that it's true.

edited 17th Aug '16 4:15:33 PM by Hodor2

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#135594: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:13:20 PM

Trump's policies don't even seem so much alignment as outright submission.

Oh really when?
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#135595: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:15:44 PM

It is very amusing that the neocons, who blame Obama for Russia becoming a powerful player on the world stage, are now faced with supporting the most pro-Russian candidate their party has ever had. Same with considering Clinton a threat to national security, and now they're stuck with a guy who "jokes" that a foreign power should obtain classified material if it will help him win the election (not that he's ever cared about what was on those emails to begin with).

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#135596: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:21:15 PM

@Hodor: I'm worried because there's good reason to think the group that hacked the DNC got their hands on a lot more data than what was released, and the Clinton campaign expressed concern about the possibility of additional leaks further on in the election.

It also wouldn't necessarily need to be something damning about Clinton, the democratic party would do just as well.

[up] Honestly, both the democrats and Republicans (and myself were I to go into politics) secretly long for a foreign power to do what they don't dare do for fear of suffering the consequences of getting caught.

edited 17th Aug '16 4:37:39 PM by CaptainCapsase

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#135597: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:33:36 PM

[up][up] These are the exact same people who say Obama is a spineless weasel, before declaring him an iron-fisted dictator who wants to become President For Life.

Doublethink to the max, is what it is.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#135598: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:37:00 PM

Insane cognitive dissonance is the new normal for these people.

"You mean that most people don't try to keep two completely opposite views in their head at the same time? That can't be right."

BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#135599: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:38:17 PM

[up][up]Some might describe Trump using both descriptions.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#135600: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:38:58 PM

Doublethink really is such a powerful force with Republicans now. It's terrifying really.

And how are you supposed to deal with that? Debates, logic, facts, all of those are meaningless to them.

Oh really when?

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