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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#135526: Aug 17th 2016 at 6:13:45 AM

On the other hand, he just named a guy from Breitbart as a leader in his campaign:

Trump campaign shakes up leadership in latest sign of tumult: http://bigstory.ap.org/94bdf984030145f9b9ddddd32a4e3450&utm_source=android_app&utm_medium=copy_to_clipboard&utm_campaign=share

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#135527: Aug 17th 2016 at 6:27:41 AM

I guess even fox news pundits don't wanna touch that shit.

This is also the second campaign manager he's lost (well apparently manaforts keeping his title but details) in like three months. Motherfucker cant get a hype man to last a month and he wants to be in charge of life time appointments.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#135528: Aug 17th 2016 at 6:34:56 AM

[up]x5 According to the GOP, throwing Islamophobic shit is "constructive criticism." Why must one of our political parties be filled with egotistic fanfiction writers?

edited 17th Aug '16 6:35:20 AM by SciFiSlasher

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#135529: Aug 17th 2016 at 6:43:03 AM

Slandering entire groups is nothing new to Perry. Granted, attacking gay soldiers helped finish off his 08 primary run...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#135530: Aug 17th 2016 at 6:47:09 AM

God I'm so sick of the term "doubling down", especially in this election cycle. Maybe if certain politicians didn't say stupid things, and then feel the need to stubbornly stand by it because they can't possibly admit they were wrong, we wouldn't have to see that term in the news EVERY. DAY.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#135531: Aug 17th 2016 at 6:53:47 AM

At this point it seems more like octupling down.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#135532: Aug 17th 2016 at 7:47:24 AM

Behold, the crowd at Trump's African American outreach speech.

A doctor on the many, many things wrong with Trump's medical letter. The "everything positive" results, dead evaluator and nonfunctioning website are merely the tip of the iceberg...

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#135533: Aug 17th 2016 at 7:53:55 AM

That crowd looks even whiter than a Sanders rally.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#135534: Aug 17th 2016 at 7:59:21 AM

Ugh, CNN has basically become the epitome of Golden Mean Fallacy - they're only a few steps from becoming their parody.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#135535: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:13:30 AM

The thing that gets me about CNN is...WHY? I know they have a financial interest with ratings, but Trump has literally telegraphed that he's going to crackdown on media outlets that criticize him if he's elected...which includes CNN. He's literally an existential threat to Democracy, the Republic, and Free World, and they still haven't gone full scorched Earth on him, like WAPO and NYT?

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#135536: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:31:59 AM

[up]

The only line is the bottom line.

edited 17th Aug '16 8:32:13 AM by TerminusEst

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#135537: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:37:10 AM

They're sorta in this bad spot where trump is essentially a cartoon villain (D-list, like batroc the leaper) but he's still technically a contender for the presidency. You can't devote your air time to just destroying this guy over and over and still keep your "objectivity" card no matter how obvious it is.

Onto the numbers: Clinton's lead is holding steady. 538's polls only forecast gives her an 87% shot and the polls plus she's sitting at 77% which is about the confidence they gave for obama's second run. What's most notable perhaps is that clinton's sharp rise happened almost immediately following the DNC and seems to have now stabilized now that we're a few weeks away from it. The why of it is a bit strange. The DNC this year was a wholly mundane affair so we can probably attribute most of this to Trump's increasingly shit performance.

trumps sagging numbers remind me of the This American Life episode that dealt with 538's now infamous prediction that trump had a less then 2% chance of winning the primaries. They had found that trump's support hit a ceiling around 25/30% of the vote and figured that this was his Achilles heel; it turned out to be his strength in a field with so many people that a 25% win was a resounding victory. I'm starting to think that that 25% is all he was ever going to get. While he's mobilizing the racist old man demographic like no one since maybe david duke the moderate GOP is just refusing to vote for him. We might actually get a sub 45% of the popular vote showing this go around.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#135538: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:53:08 AM

White. Black. Hispanic. Asian. Long ago, the four races lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Regressive Left attacked. Only The God-Emperor, leader of the free-world, could stop them, but when the world needed him most, he vanished. A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new God-Emperor, a White man named Donald J. Trump. And although his negotiating skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he's ready to save anyone. But I believe Trump can save the world.

Actual quote from Facebook. Jesus Christ.

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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#135539: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:56:02 AM

I am sure Trump supporters think like this.

Inter arma enim silent leges
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#135540: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:56:51 AM

So uh...there are protests in Belgrade....in favor of Trump.

optimusjamie Since: Jun, 2010
#135541: Aug 17th 2016 at 9:03:29 AM

...As in the capital of Serbia? The fuck?

Direct all enquiries to Jamie B Good
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#135542: Aug 17th 2016 at 9:04:37 AM

Serbia has always been pro-Russian so it makes sense from that angle, combine it with the European refugee crisis and I'm sure a wall sounds apealing to some folks.

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#135543: Aug 17th 2016 at 9:07:09 AM

Plus I'd imagine there'd be at least some resentment over the name "Clinton".

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#135544: Aug 17th 2016 at 9:09:08 AM

Also it seems the Vice President is visiting there just now, so the timing isn't completely out of the blue.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#135545: Aug 17th 2016 at 9:40:55 AM

I mean, the Serbs do have a recent history with psychotic ethnic nationalism.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#135546: Aug 17th 2016 at 10:10:19 AM

http://nyti.ms/2blAL8W

I'll quote the full thing, since I think NY Times has a paywall.

Trump Casinos’ Tax Debt Was $30 Million. Then Christie Took Office.

A deputy New Jersey attorney general wrote in 2007 that Donald J. Trump’s flagship casino, the Taj Mahal, had reported that it paid $2.2 million in alternative minimum assessment tax in 2003, which was not true. It had paid only $500 in income taxes.

By the time Chris Christie became governor of New Jersey, the state’s auditors and lawyers had been battling for several years to collect long-overdue taxes owed by the casinos founded by his friend Donald J. Trump.

The total, with interest, had grown to almost $30 million. The state had doggedly pursued the matter through two of the casinos’ bankruptcy cases and even accused the company led by Mr. Trump of filing false reports with state casino regulators about the amount of taxes it had paid.

But the year after Governor Christie, a Republican, took office, the tone of the litigation shifted. The state entertained settlement offers. And in December 2011, after six years in court, the state agreed to accept just $5 million, roughly 17 cents on the dollar of what auditors said the casinos owed.

Tax authorities sometimes settle for lesser amounts to avoid the costs and risks of further litigation, legal experts said, but the steep discount granted to the Trump casinos and the relationship between the two men raise inevitable questions about special treatment.

“You can’t tell whether there’s something problematic, but it’s pretty striking that this one was written down so much,” said David Skeel, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School who specializes in bankruptcy law and reviewed the case at the request of The New York Times.

The refusal by Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, to release his personal income tax returns has become a growing issue in the campaign. He has also boasted of his success in lowering his tax burden as a businessman, declaring last year in an interview on Fox News that only “a stupid person, a really stupid person, is paying a lot of taxes.”

By that measure, the deal with New Jersey looks remarkably shrewd. The casinos did far better, for example, than those that benefited from a program Mr. Christie introduced in 2014 under which the state agreed to consider reducing penalties for delinquent taxpayers but only if they caught up on all overdue taxes and interest.

Public records do not create a clear picture of how the agreement was reached. A spokeswoman for Mr. Trump said she would be in touch regarding questions sent to her. But she did not reply further or respond to subsequent messages.

Mr. Trump and Gov. Chris Christie at a campaign rally in Texas in February. Mr. Trump has given Mr. Christie, a longtime friend, the task of heading his transition committee.

Brian Murray, a spokesman for Mr. Christie, said the governor had not been aware of the tax dispute and, therefore, could not comment on the terms of the settlement.

The Times discovered the agreement during a review of the thousands of documents filed in the bankruptcies of Mr. Trump’s casinos. The taxes went unpaid from 2002 through 2006, during which time Mr. Trump was leading the company as chairman and, until 2005, as its chief executive. He reaped millions of dollars in fees and bonuses from the company, even as it underperformed competitors, lost money every year and saw its stock collapse.

Mr. Trump and Mr. Christie met in 2002, when Mr. Christie was the United States attorney for New Jersey. Mr. Trump’s sister Maryanne Trump Barry, then a federal judge in the state, had mentioned to Mr. Christie that her famous brother would like to meet him. They struck up a friendship. Mr. Christie was invited to Mr. Trump’s third wedding in 2005, and Mr. Trump was a prominent guest at Mr. Christie’s inauguration in 2010. They have double dated with their wives.

Their bond has occasionally included financial largess from Mr. Trump. His foundation made large donations to the Drumthwacket Foundation, which finances maintenance and improvements to New Jersey’s historic governor’s residence, after Mr. Christie became its honorary chairman. Mr. Trump also made large contributions to the Republican Governors Association when Mr. Christie was its chairman.

After attacking Mr. Christie during the recent Republican primary contest, Mr. Trump seriously considered choosing him as his running mate before picking Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana. But Mr. Christie has remained a vocal supporter and was given a prominent speaking role at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, and Mr. Trump has given his friend the task of heading his transition committee.

“Donald and I, along with Melania and Mary Pat, have been friends for over a decade,” Mr. Christie said when he endorsed Mr. Trump in February. “He has been a good and loyal friend.”

The state corporate tax at the center of the dispute went into effect in 2002. It was called the alternative minimum assessment and was created, in part, to prevent businesses from avoiding taxes through accounting maneuvers.

An executive with the Chamber of Commerce Southern New Jersey testified at a state hearing in 2003 that Atlantic City casinos saw their state tax liability quadruple, primarily because of the new alternative minimum tax, during its first year. But the Trump casinos decided the tax did not apply to them, according to court filings.

After the Trump casinos filed for bankruptcy protection in 2004 for the third time, state officials noticed the company had not been filling out the required schedule for the minimum tax assessment. The Trump casinos had reported losing money and paid a little more than $600,000 in state income taxes in 2002, and only $1,500 in 2003. State auditors determined that the Trump casinos should have paid $8.8 million in alternative minimum taxes for those two years, according to court records.

Inside the Trump Taj Mahal. Though he was pushed out of running the company he founded, Mr. Trump said he would stay “very involved” with the casino company that would continue to bear his name.

The company filed an administrative protest with the state, but it was rejected. The company’s lawyers continued to fight the state’s claim in bankruptcy court, arguing that the tax was unconstitutional and that it should not apply to the Trump casinos because they were organized as partnerships.

State lawyers also found other irregularities in the company’s tax filings.

In February 2007, Heather Lynn Anderson, a deputy attorney general who specializes in tax cases, filed papers in court saying auditors had discovered discrepancies that raised “numerous additional questions regarding the accuracy” of the Trump casinos’ tax returns. The company had reported lower revenue figures on its tax returns, for example, than on filings with the State Casino Control Commission. Ms. Anderson also wrote that Mr. Trump’s flagship casino, the Taj Mahal, had reported to the casino commission that it paid $2.2 million in alternative minimum assessment tax in 2003, which was not true. The company had paid only $500 in income taxes.

The state’s claim still had not been resolved by early 2009, when the Trump casinos filed for bankruptcy protection yet again. By then, the state said the total due, with interest, had risen to $29.4 million.

Mr. Christie’s name actually appeared in the bankruptcy cases during those years, when he was the United States attorney for New Jersey, and more than a dozen briefs were filed under his name as representing the federal Internal Revenue Service in its own claims against the Trump casinos. But the case was handled by an I.R.S. lawyer. Mr. Murray, the governor’s spokesman, said Mr. Christie had no supervisory role in pursuing the agency’s claims.

After Mr. Christie became governor, his friendship with Mr. Trump occasionally made celebrity news. In March 2011, The New York Post’s gossip column, Page Six, reported that the two men and their wives double dated at Jean-Georges, a luxury restaurant in Mr. Trump’s tower at Columbus Circle in Manhattan.

By then, Mr. Trump had been pushed out of running the company he founded, after his efforts to hang on through bankruptcy were thwarted by investors. But he still had financial ties to the company.

When he testified in support of the plan to reorganize the company without his direct leadership, Mr. Trump said he would stay “very involved” with the casino company that would continue to bear his name. He remained a large shareholder, controlling 10 percent of the company’s stock. And in October 2011, the company announced it had entered a joint venture with Mr. Trump and his daughter Ivanka to pursue online gambling should it become legal.

“We think we have the hottest brand there is, the Trump brand, my personal brand,” Mr. Trump told The Associated Press. “We think it’s going to do phenomenally well.”

(The joint venture agreement expired before New Jersey approved online gambling in 2013.)

Around the same time, the tone of the tax litigation softened. Ms. Anderson notified the judge in the case that the two sides were in settlement discussions. On Dec. 5, 2011, New Jersey and the Trump casino company filed a settlement agreement with the court showing that the state would accept $5 million, paid in two installments, on a tab of about $30 million.

By the time of the settlement, the industry was suffering a long slide that had started in 2006. The Trump company had just sold one of its casinos, Trump Marina Hotel Casino, for $38 million.

A spokesman for the attorney general’s office, Leland Moore, said the settlement was approved largely because of the risks of continuing to fight in bankruptcy court and the “concerns about the future ability of the casinos to pay their tax debts.”

The Trump casinos may not have been able to afford their long overdue taxes, but they did not turn suddenly spartan, either. They continued to rent a helicopter from Mr. Trump for $390,000 a year, until they filed for bankruptcy again in 2014.

Mr. Moore declined to release the titles of officials who approved the settlement, except to say it was agreed to by officials from both the attorney general’s office and the State Division of Taxation.

Mr. Christie was close to the attorney general at the time, Paula T. Dow, whom he had appointed and who worked for him as a prosecutor at the United States attorney’s office. A week after the settlement was signed, Mr. Christie announced that he was appointing Ms. Dow to the counsel’s office of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey until he could find her the judgeship that she desired.

“I think you all know that Paula Dow has been one of my most trusted advisers for the last 10 years,” Mr. Christie said at the time.

The Trump casinos did agree to pay more than $1 million in other taxes that the state sought in the bankruptcy cases.

Ms. Anderson, the deputy attorney general, had also prevailed over the Trump casinos in a separate case in which the company had sought a $2.7 million refund of sales taxes. She declined to discuss the cases. But her husband, Joseph Rival, has made his thoughts publicly known. He once referred to Mr. Trump as a “tax cheat” in a Twitter post. Another Twitter commenter pushed him to say which tax Mr. Trump had cheated. Mr. Rival, a conservative voter, wrote: “The State of New Jersey. He had to pay up millions, I know the lawyer that beat him.”

On another date, he posted, “My wife’s beaten him in tax court more than once.”

The settlement was one of the last disputes in that bankruptcy case, and it was finally closed in January 2012.

The following month, Page Six reported that the Christies and the Trumps were again double dating at Jean-Georges.

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#135547: Aug 17th 2016 at 10:11:41 AM

@ News Networks: Any idea what Bloomberg's stance is on the Election?

Keep Rolling On
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#135548: Aug 17th 2016 at 10:13:21 AM

Bloomberg bio of Steve Bannon. It's over a year old now, though.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#135549: Aug 17th 2016 at 10:37:50 AM

I don't remember of Michael Bloomberg is still connected to the business bearing his name but he spoke at the DNC, endorsed Hillary and mocked Trump. He's an NYC Republican.

edited 17th Aug '16 10:38:42 AM by Elle

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#135550: Aug 17th 2016 at 10:50:10 AM

[up]x4 — Al Capone didn't pay his taxes either. But he got sent to Alcatraz for it.

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