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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#135351: Aug 15th 2016 at 9:26:09 AM

The cop that shot him was also black though. It's fair to question whether the shots were fired justifiably but we only have the official statements to go on right now; the key is probably going to be the body cam footage.

There may be racism at work but its more likely in the larger ongoing societal issues in that area driving the poverty and crime than specifically the officer involved.

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#135352: Aug 15th 2016 at 9:28:31 AM

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He's certainly less sympathetic than other victims of police brutality on account of the fact that we know he was guilty of a crime, but he still looks like a black man crucified on the altar of trigger-happy racism in our police force and it looks like he's the straw that broke the camel's back.

You do know that the cop that shot him was also Black?

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edited 15th Aug '16 9:28:52 AM by Greenmantle

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#135353: Aug 15th 2016 at 9:41:37 AM

Unfortunately, black cops tend to be more overt in their racism, and unflinchingly abuse N-Word Privileges.

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#135354: Aug 15th 2016 at 9:45:10 AM

Yeah, racism works subconsciously, too. Black men are perceived as more of a threat, even by other black people.

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#135355: Aug 15th 2016 at 9:45:53 AM

In the words of Chris Rock: "Who's more racist, black people or white people? Black people are more racist. Because everything white people don't like about black people? Black people really don't like about black people!"

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#135356: Aug 15th 2016 at 9:51:47 AM

There are legitimate complaints about the black community, and me being black, I make them all the time...I'm just very VERY uncomfortable with anyone non-black making those complaints, because I'm not sure if it's racially motivated or being genuinely concerned.

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#135357: Aug 15th 2016 at 9:56:55 AM

Back in the day I used to laugh at The Boondocks. Now I just cringe.

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#135359: Aug 15th 2016 at 10:10:42 AM

The Tom Dubois jokes are the most uncomfortable. They're basically "cuck" jokes.

edited 15th Aug '16 10:14:45 AM by TheHandle

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#135360: Aug 15th 2016 at 10:23:44 AM

Now, this is much more Serious Business

Like, holy crap that is evil!

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#135361: Aug 15th 2016 at 10:26:19 AM

[up]Me and my buddy just watched that a few minutes ago. My reaction is thus: "Holy shit, wtf, this is retarded shit."

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#135362: Aug 15th 2016 at 10:41:13 AM

[up][up][up][up] WTF was that?

I'm skeptical whole "self hating x" thing, mostly because it's often used as a cheap tactic to dismiss ones political opponents.

Edit: What's a cuck joke?

edited 15th Aug '16 10:41:45 AM by JackOLantern1337

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#135363: Aug 15th 2016 at 10:43:15 AM

Short for "cuckold" (a husband with an adulterous wife) - the new label to demean someone by implying that he can't control his woman.

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#135364: Aug 15th 2016 at 10:43:58 AM

[up][up]The Alt-Right calls your average semi-sane conservatives "Cuckservatives" for not adopting white supremacy and "cheating on their race" (so to speak). They also call non-racist white people "cucks" for the same reason.

edited 15th Aug '16 10:44:49 AM by Protagonist506

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#135366: Aug 15th 2016 at 10:48:02 AM

A portion of I-10 in Baton Rouge is closed due to water flowing over it.

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#135367: Aug 15th 2016 at 11:25:20 AM

[up][up]In this particular case, I meant that the show makes a big deal of Tom being unconfident, inadequate, insecure, anxious, desperate, pathetic, impotent, and generally unmasculine. His wife never actually cheats on him, but it's made abundantly clear that she is bored and annoyed with him, and that she looks with some longing towards other, sexier, more glamorous black guys.

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Psyclone Since: Jan, 2001
#135368: Aug 15th 2016 at 11:55:57 AM

Rudy Giuliani, Mayor of New York City from 1994 to 2001, claims that until Obama took office there were no successful radical Islamic terrorist attacks in the U.S.

...we are living in the fucking Twilight Zone.

edited 15th Aug '16 12:00:36 PM by Psyclone

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#135369: Aug 15th 2016 at 11:56:14 AM

Yeah, racism works subconsciously, too. Black men are perceived as more of a threat, even by other black people.

Exactly. The shooter being black only disproves racial motivation if you assume that the only people who can hold bigoted views are heterosexual white men. That we have a Monopoly on hate.

And if you assume that hate is a conscious decision. Not every police murder is the product of an officer going, "F*ck this black person. I'm gonna kill him so hard. That'll teach him to be a minority in my neighborhood!"

I mean, to be fair, some are. Things like the death of Freddie Gray are impossible to comprehend as anything but a deliberate, informed abuse of authority motivated by racial hatred.

But others are a product of fear disproportionately applied to black men. It's an internal bias that leads police to see white people and women as mostly harmless even when they're waving guns around or charging cops, but black men as hyper-dangerous beasts that must be put down with excessive force at the first sign of trouble.

In a world where black men are routinely shot for being in possession of things that look like guns or for doing things like taking his driver's license out of his pocket because the officer thought he might have been drawing a gun, it's not hard to see why a black criminal would be dead right now for being in possession of a gun.

In practice, the Second Amendment only extends to white folks. If you are a minority suspected to be in possession of a firearm, the police will kill you even over something as simple as a traffic stop. That's what people in many parts of the country have been told over and over, and it's what the Minneapolis riots are about.

EDIT: Think about the Oath Keepers walking around BLM protests waving guns around, intimidating the protestors with implicit threats of violence while claiming they're just here to keep the peace. Imagine it was a black man waving a rifle around anti-abortion protestors. How long do you think it would take for the police to shoot him dead?

edited 15th Aug '16 11:58:47 AM by TobiasDrake

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#135370: Aug 15th 2016 at 12:01:01 PM

[up][up] I know even the Republicans don't really want to talk about George W. Bush...but retconning Bush out entirely and pretending Obama was around since 1998 is insanity on a ludicrous scale.

edited 15th Aug '16 12:01:37 PM by Zendervai

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#135371: Aug 15th 2016 at 12:02:05 PM

[up][up]I think it's less that a lot of people assume that only straight, white males have a monopoly on hate, and more they assume that you guys are the only ones ever in a position to do real harm with it. The whole "racism = prejudice + power" argument that the stereotypical SJW or Tumblrite loves.

Not that I don't get why a lot of people would go with that, but it leaves you open to missing other things.

edited 15th Aug '16 12:02:54 PM by LSBK

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#135372: Aug 15th 2016 at 12:12:04 PM

I mean, "Racism = Prejudice + Power" isn't exactly that far off the mark, but assuming it means only heterosexual white men, in and of itself, precludes the notion that progress has been made. Not enough progress, mind you. The scales still aren't even. But enough that there are minorities and women in positions of power, capable of using that power with prejudice.

A black police officer is every bit as capable of meeting the Prejudice + Power requirements as a white officer. They share the same power. And given how skewed the scale still is, it's entirely possible that they share the same prejudice. It's the same reason the RNC kept trotting out black cops to make speeches about how Blue Lives Matter and chastise the BLM movement: minorities are not a hivemind. Some hold the same prejudices as the straight white men in power, and they're going to be the ones those men are most willing to endorse and help climb the ladder.

Which also doesn't mean that every woman or minority in a position of power is prejudiced - not any more than every straight white man is. But the potential exists, enough that you can't immediately dismiss prejudice out-of-hand because it was a woman or minority who did the deed.

edited 15th Aug '16 12:13:25 PM by TobiasDrake

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#135373: Aug 15th 2016 at 12:12:31 PM

The sad thing about Giuliani is that he used to be moderate-ish. (He's responsible for a ly of NYC's current gun control laws, IIRC). There are plenty of critiques to be made of his policies and argument to this day on how relevant they were to NYC's big turnaround in crime rate but he was conventionally popular. He only started spouting crazy after his failed 2012 Presidential bid, as if struggling to stay relevant.

edited 15th Aug '16 12:21:59 PM by Elle

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#135374: Aug 15th 2016 at 12:13:32 PM

Regarding the Great Bush Retcon

I keep hearing this. The transparent attempt at revisionist history might explain why they're so quick to throw 9/11 first responders under the bus. Their existence is very inconvenient to the narrative the GOP has bizarrely started trying to create.

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#135375: Aug 15th 2016 at 12:21:57 PM

Maybe he just forgot to say the since 9/11 bit. That's what they always used to say. That their had never been a terrorist attack on US soil under a Republican since 9/11.

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