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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#135076: Aug 12th 2016 at 11:05:39 AM

I'm seeing on CNN that Clinton has released her tax returns

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#135077: Aug 12th 2016 at 11:06:30 AM

[up][up][up]Yeah, I meant the latter. What I want is at least two different candidates who, while not perfect, would still both do a decent job at being President in their own rights if elected. Whereas this year, of the four different candidates who have anything close to a chance, one is clueless, the other is an idiot, and the third is just insane, which leaves only one choice that you could actually vote for without burning the country down to the ground. So when I say I want a 'real choice', that's what I mean.

[up][up]That too.

edited 12th Aug '16 11:06:54 AM by kkhohoho

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#135078: Aug 12th 2016 at 11:16:05 AM

I kinda felt like there was a decent choice during the Obama vs. Mc Cain election in 2008. I was definitely for Obama, and Mc Cain choosing Palin as his running mate was definitely a super-bad thing, but at the same time, I do remember thinking that if Mc Cain won, he'd probably do an okay job. Better than W did, anyway.

P.S. Does anyone know how to keep the word Mc Cain from turning into a link on this wiki?

edited 12th Aug '16 11:17:15 AM by RavenWilder

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#135079: Aug 12th 2016 at 11:18:58 AM

Put these [==] around Mc Cain, with Mc Cain in the middle, and you get this: McCain.

edited 12th Aug '16 11:19:18 AM by Ekuran

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#135080: Aug 12th 2016 at 11:19:06 AM

[up]Nice try.

[up][up]Check out "Show markup help" when you comment.

edited 12th Aug '16 11:20:40 AM by flameboy21th

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Stormtroper from Little Venice Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
#135081: Aug 12th 2016 at 11:19:09 AM

[ = McCain = ] (Without spaces.)

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#135082: Aug 12th 2016 at 1:54:18 PM

I have no idea whether the accusation in the meme is true (I'd be inclined to doubt it given the source/personal biases), but once again, Trump used an anti-semitic meme to attack Clinton. The only difference between what he used and the original meme is that the Star of David was photoshopped out.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#135083: Aug 12th 2016 at 1:56:24 PM

The original one is from David Duke of course

Oh really when?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#135084: Aug 12th 2016 at 1:56:41 PM

Without the Star of David, it's arabophobic.

With the Star... it makes no sense whatsoever. Unless those countries are being accused of Zionism?

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#135085: Aug 12th 2016 at 1:58:56 PM

I think the idea is that there is an Evil Jewish Conspiracy (or as left wing anti-semites like to call it, a Zionist conspiracy) wherein Jews (or Israel) are responsible for anything that happens in the Middle East. So naturally, they'd be involved in arms sales to various countries.

And/or I guess more simply Duke hates both Jews and Muslims. Trump hates Muslims and knows his followers hate Muslims and in some cases, Jews and Muslims, and doesn't mind "winking" by appropriating Duke's image.

[down] But yeah, it's a great illustration of both the Horeshoe Effect and how conspiracy theories don't make a lot of sense.

edited 12th Aug '16 2:07:04 PM by Hodor2

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#135086: Aug 12th 2016 at 2:05:52 PM

Yeah. It's basically, "Hillary "Greedy like a Jew" Clinton took all this money from our Arabic enemies, in exchange for keeping the Jewish NWO's conspiracy ball rolling by helping them get weapons to keep fighting each other and us!"

When you put the words together like that it kinda sounds like gibberish but nobody ever accused anti-Semitism of being founded on sound logical principles.

edited 12th Aug '16 2:06:32 PM by TobiasDrake

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#135087: Aug 12th 2016 at 2:07:23 PM

... That is so complicated. Ya gotta keep your plans simple, otherwise they won't work.

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#135088: Aug 12th 2016 at 2:11:42 PM

Do we know where the Trump photo came from? I have concerns that it might be a "Fill in the Whiteboard" photoshop. I wouldn't put it past him, mind you, but a news source would be nice.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#135089: Aug 12th 2016 at 2:31:07 PM

[up] Yeah. We gotta be careful not to fall into the trap of immediately believing anything bad we hear about the candidate we don't like. One of Trump's few "true" statements on Politifact is that incident of throwing out a crying baby was exaggerate

edited 12th Aug '16 2:36:15 PM by sgamer82

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#135090: Aug 12th 2016 at 2:42:08 PM

... That is a fair point. It's possible that Duke/the alt-right person who produced that image photoshopped the Star of David into it.

Like the earlier controversy, I have to acknowledge that the image in question would ordinarily be a pretty garden-variety conservative (or just anti-Clinton) attack. What made it bad is that whoever created it or (in this case possibly) played with the image before Trump got to it added an anti-semitic angle.

I still get the impression though that Trump or one or more people working for him trawl alt-right twitter accounts and message boards for ammunition, which is kind of a questionable thing to do.

Re the baby, he didn't literally throw it out of the rally, but I still think his response was oddly hostile. Like it's so bizarre he joked about ejecting the mother and child. Anyone else would have just laughed it off or joked about the baby being from the opposite political party.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#135091: Aug 12th 2016 at 2:56:41 PM

I didn't mean it literally, either. It was, however, exaggerated/distorted in media reports going be Politifact. He said to get the baby out while the mother was already on the process of leaving on her own.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/08/donald-trump/donald-trump-accurately-says-media-wrong-he-kicked/

edited 12th Aug '16 2:57:40 PM by sgamer82

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#135092: Aug 12th 2016 at 2:58:08 PM

The thing with the baby was fine up until he said "I think she really believed me!"

Since, you know, isn't that what your supporters are supposed to do? If he hadn't said that one sentence, he wouldn't look like so much of an asshole and there would have been no real controversy. Obviously, he's never cared about that anyways.

edited 12th Aug '16 3:08:04 PM by Eschaton

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#135093: Aug 12th 2016 at 3:38:02 PM

OMG, claiming a crying baby is from an opposing party would be funny.

The "she really believed me" line really is damning. Saying "I like your baby, it's cute....actually, I just changed my mind" is kind of a dick move, but declaring that you're proud of deceiving her is basically crossing the line thrice and really makes you look like a massive asshole.

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#135094: Aug 12th 2016 at 3:39:48 PM

"I was just being polite!"

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carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
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#135095: Aug 12th 2016 at 3:43:50 PM

Hitler kissed babies! Obviously it was a move to disavow any association with National Socialist elements!

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#135096: Aug 12th 2016 at 4:33:58 PM

I remember seeing some links in this thread that more or less showed the population of the US is considerably leftwards of the government on certain issues (gun control, approving of Obamacare when it's not explicitly called that and similar stuff), but I'm bad at googling. Would you mind sharing them, if you have any saved?

Also, a few links, to try and contribute:

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#135097: Aug 12th 2016 at 6:24:21 PM

[up] A couple of the comments following that first article:

The old saying: "You are what you eat" would seem applicable here, with slight modification — Trump is what he reads: ill-informed, deceitful, gossip-spreading, ignorant with regard to the real world.

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Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
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#135098: Aug 12th 2016 at 8:28:03 PM

WikiLeaks announced that it is offering $20,000 for information leading to a conviction in last month's shooting death of Democratic National Committee (DNC) staffer Seth Rich.

The Wiki Leaks announcement, however, appears to be related to unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that Rich’s death could have been politically motivated.

“Whistleblowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks. As a 27 year-old, works for the DNC, was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington,” he told Nieuwsuur.

“I’m suggesting that our sources take risks.”

edited 12th Aug '16 8:31:15 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#135099: Aug 12th 2016 at 8:29:13 PM

6 to 1 they'll refuse to the run the story if they can't somehow hurt Clinton with it.

Oh really when?
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#135100: Aug 12th 2016 at 8:41:26 PM

I want to believe they aren't being opportunistic fuckers....but this is Wikileaks we are talking about.

Yeah, those pieces of shit are spreading a conspiracy theory that he was the source of the leak and that the DNC/or someone linked to them had him assassinated for it.

edited 12th Aug '16 8:42:53 PM by Rationalinsanity

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