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#134977: Aug 11th 2016 at 8:58:51 AM

[up][up][up][up]Muh Freedumb of Speach.

[up][nja]

edited 11th Aug '16 8:59:48 AM by Ekuran

Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#134978: Aug 11th 2016 at 9:02:26 AM

You can literally just say whatever you want at this point.

One of our presidential candidates has called entire ethic groups rapists and tacitly suggested that people kill the person he's running against and suffered no legal repercussions.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#134979: Aug 11th 2016 at 9:02:57 AM

[up]x7 Yes. Even in those cases. Ideally it'd be similar to how the Secret Service is set up.

They literally investigate EVERY single threat to anyone under their protection, no matter how small.

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#134980: Aug 11th 2016 at 9:24:41 AM

I'm so glad that Trump is now being pushed by the literal Nazi party because it means I can stop feeling self-conscious whenever I invoke Godwin about him.

... WHY THE HELL IS THERE A NAZI PARTY IN THE USA THAT'S ALLOWED TO USE "NAZI" IN ITS NAME?!

The combination of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Assembly.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#134981: Aug 11th 2016 at 9:34:20 AM

From a local paper, more for the heck of it than anything, Trump is doubling down on his claim Obama found ISIS:

Trump refuses to back away from false claim Obama founded IS

http://www.idahostatesman.com/latest-news/article94988532.html

"Donald Trump repeatedly accused President Barack Obama of founding the Islamic State group on Thursday, refusing to take back a patently false allegation, despite the urging of some of his allies to do so."

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#134982: Aug 11th 2016 at 9:36:29 AM

The man is Looney Toons. He's bonkers. He's off his nut. He's a handful of loose screws wrapped up in an orange fursuit.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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#134983: Aug 11th 2016 at 9:37:31 AM

Has Trump ever backed away from a false claim? My impression is that part of his notoriety in regards to fact-checking comes not only from the fact that much of what he says is blatantly false, but that he never backs down from a false claim when it's pointed out that the claim is false.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#134984: Aug 11th 2016 at 9:39:22 AM

A day after lobbing the attack against the president during a rowdy rally, Trump pressed ahead during a round of interviews. He brushed off conservative radio commentator Hugh Hewitt's attempt to reframe Trump's observation as one that said Obama's foreign policy created the conditions in Iraq and Syria that allowed IS to thrive.

"No, I meant he's the founder of ISIS. I do," Trump said, using another acronym for the extremist group that has wreaked havoc from the Middle East to European cities.

OK way to turn what could've been a valid if misleading evaluation of foreign policy matters into complete raving lunacy.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#134985: Aug 11th 2016 at 9:40:38 AM

[up][up]Interestingly enough, I just came across an article on that very issue, which focuses on the ISIS claim. I particularly love the exchange with Hugh Hewitt, who is sympathetic to Trump and unsuccessfully tried to get Trump to re-characterize his remarks in a less insane way.

[nja]

edited 11th Aug '16 9:41:08 AM by Hodor2

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#134986: Aug 11th 2016 at 9:48:39 AM

I'm starting to believe the theory that Trump really doesn't want to win. He's done nothing but run his own campaign into the ground since the conventions.

Of course its far more likely that this is the general election implosion most of us predicted.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#134987: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:10:28 AM

Actually I'm starting to wonder if its merely not to win. I think he's setting up his kids for a future in the GOP, since they are far far more liked than Trump himself. Any good decisions he's ever made generally come from their counsel.

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#134988: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:15:53 AM

I doubt he's thinking that far ahead. He doesn't seem to be a particularly long term planner, and despite all this I see nothing that indicates any of his children want to permanently enter into politics themselves. They're just trying to steer their father in a productive direction, and if this attempt fails I think they'll probably just go back to what they were doing. (Probably do the same in the event of success, given they're adults and probably aren't going to give up their business for four years.)

And yeah, Trump wants to win. He's just very used to his refuge in audacity tactics working for him and is too egotistical and stubborn to listen to advice that it's not helping him at all right now.

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#134989: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:17:10 AM

The NFL has said the Dallas Cowboys are not permitted to use a helmet decal in tribute of the officers killed in lasts month's shooting.

edited 11th Aug '16 10:18:18 AM by tclittle

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#134991: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:18:58 AM

The idea that everyone secretly believes the things Trump openly says worked for him in the primary because it was actually true for a lot of GOP supporters. Enough to win the primary, at least.

But not only is it not true for most Independents and Democrats, but the fatal decision to attack a Gold Star family is even costing him a lot of his support among the "F*ck minorities!" crowd. I've said this before, but military is sacred in the GOP. During the DNC, Trump finally found a line he never should have crossed with his own supporters.

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#134992: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:23:20 AM

Wait, the claim isn't that Obama's foreign policy created ISIS? He's literally saying Obama organized a bunch of Muslims into a terrorist group? God the fact that this election is even a contest anymore pisses me off so much.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#134993: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:39:00 AM

[up] I wholeheartedly agree.

In non Trump news:

"U.S. agency denies petition to reclassify marijuana" - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N1AS1I5

"The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration on Thursday denied requests to stop classifying marijuana as a dangerous drug with no medical use, leaving users and businesses in limbo after many states have legalized it for medical or recreational purposes."

edited 11th Aug '16 10:43:36 AM by sgamer82

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#134994: Aug 11th 2016 at 10:44:34 AM

[up] They're on the wrong side of history.

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#134995: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:10:08 AM

[up]x5 Anyone else find it ironic that in Germany, it's a crime to display Nazi memorabilia outside a museum and that they're actually trying to throw off that stigma, but in America, you can sympathize with a slaveocracy that rebelled against your own country and build monuments to them because of "Freedom of Speech"?

Honestly, we need to change what we consider "Freedom of Speech". It is not the 1800s anymore.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#134996: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:11:55 AM

Germany was forcibly de-Nazified at gunpoint. A similar process did not take place in the former CSA.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#134997: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:28:02 AM

As infuriatingly ignorant and annoyingly asinine as these opinions are, I'm instinctively nervous about measures regarding free expression of ideas in general. I tend to think that declaring by law such and such ideas to be illegal or otherwise bad would be counterproductive insofar as it doesn't allow a more solid reasoning of why it's bad/deplorable to take root - the ideas get glorified and washed up in a forbbidden knowledge way. I also worry about such efforts ending up suppressing actually valid or at least worthy of consideration aspects that get caught up in the efforts.

edited 11th Aug '16 11:28:32 AM by megarockman

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#134998: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:30:26 AM

Most Western countries have anti hate-speech laws on the books. Canada does, for example. The definition of hate speech is really narrow and it basically boils down to racist, sexist or genocidal rhetoric in public places. If you're in private, the law does not apply.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#134999: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:34:06 AM

Why Defend Freedom of Icky Speech? - tossing Gaiman's essay into the ring cause I'm lazy today. (Admittedly, it's more about smut than hate speech.)

Also think it's worth noting: if this were any other election, the what the American Nazi party thought wouldn't even be news-worthy. They're as far to the fringe as fringe gets, they have no ballot presence and no one would give them airtime.

edited 11th Aug '16 11:46:59 AM by Elle

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#135000: Aug 11th 2016 at 11:35:08 AM

A Trump campaign manager resigned after it surfaced that he pulled a gun on people on more than one occasion. One of the people who had a gun pulled on him is suing the former manager after the Trump campaign failed to act on his complaint.

edited 11th Aug '16 11:35:25 AM by speedyboris


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