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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#134627: Aug 8th 2016 at 10:53:16 AM

If they were proposing allowing parents to euthanize their born children (but not get abortions), that'd be hypocritical.

Trump and others are anti-vaccination are they not? What is that but an elaborate way of euthanising your child? That's before you get into them being pro-abuse and tourture when it comes to LGBT kids, abuse and tourture that often leads to suicide. They're totally okay with people killing their defenceless children in certain circumstances.

edited 8th Aug '16 10:53:41 AM by Silasw

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#134628: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:02:08 AM

Double posting due to this deserving its own post. Got an update from 538, shit has gotten absurd. They now have Clinton winning Gerogia, Arizona and Nebraska's second district, not only on the now-cast but also the polls-only prediction, but the best is their latest now-cast prediction.

If the election was held today Clinton would win not only North Carolinia, not only Georgia, not only Nebraska's second district, not only Arizona, but also South Carolina! South bloody Carolina, that'd been a clean east coast sweep.

edited 8th Aug '16 11:04:50 AM by Silasw

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#134629: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:13:28 AM

[up][up]Guess who is opposing illegalization of conversion therapy.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#134630: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:22:37 AM

[up][up]That actually has me a bit concerned. I'd like to see Clinton soundly beat Trump but if she does too well people would probably view her with suspicion.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#134631: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:23:31 AM

So I just search for the last time a Dem swept the entire East Coast, it was 1912 when Woodrow Wilson won in a four way race between himself, Theodore Roosevelt, Taft and a Socalist that won 6% of the vote. Even then he didn't win a 50 state sweep. Franking Rooservelt came close in '36, '40 and '44 but never managed to grab Maine.

[up] It's strong but it's not insane, if she somehow pulled Texas and Oklahoma it would be truly craze, this is just incredibly good.

edited 8th Aug '16 11:25:01 AM by Silasw

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#134632: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:24:36 AM

I am particularly interested in Georgia because from what I know, that's a high hanging fruit given the low amount of undetermined votersnote  in comparison to e.g Arizona.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#134633: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:25:17 AM

[up][up][up] People have been viewing her with suspicion this entire time. From claiming Sanders was cheated out of the nomination to Trump claiming the general election is rigged, it doesn't really matter what happens. The die-hards will call her a cheater.

edited 8th Aug '16 11:25:34 AM by Discar

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#134634: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:26:44 AM

[up]While that is true it is possible to persuade other people that the election was stolen if she does unnaturally well.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#134635: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:30:30 AM

[up][up]That sort of thing is Older Than Feudalism. In ancient Greek history, when the Greeks won a battle, it was because the Greeks were magnificent. Whenever somebody else defeated them, it was due to luck, or some underhanded tactic, or a turncoat who betrayed them...

"The Trojan Horse? Oh, that wasn't a sneaky, underhanded ploy. That was a brilliant strategic maneuver."

"Bankruptcy? Oh, that wasn't a commercial failure. That was a shrewd business plan."

Excuses are like assholes: everybody has one, and they all stink.

edited 8th Aug '16 11:42:59 AM by pwiegle

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#134637: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:44:31 AM

If we do get a democrat landslide in both the presidential elections and in the downticket...Well we'll finally get to see Clinton's true colors, for better or worse.

That also would, unfortunately, leave an opening for the GOP to pull themselves back together and sell the millenial generation on their moronic economic policies by dropping the militarism and bigotry. It would be just like the democrats to have a generation stolen out from under their noses (again) by taking their goodwill for granted.

[up] Note that the survey didn't specify "voter fraud". Voter suppression is very real, and there's a number of states where it's very difficult to say that elections are not rigged (or that they are rigged) due to lacking oversight.

edited 8th Aug '16 11:49:01 AM by CaptainCapsase

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#134638: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:49:20 AM

Relevant: Most Americans think the election is rigged. (slams head into desk)

Right, that article is a typical example of attention seeking behaviour. How do they think it's rigged? By wealthy people or by illegal immigrants?

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#134639: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:57:22 AM

It is rigged, but not in the ways you might think.

Voter suppression is real and unless they made the voting over a couple of days or just make it easier for everyone to vote, it is not going to go away.

edited 8th Aug '16 11:59:18 AM by Memers

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Would that it were so simple.
#134640: Aug 8th 2016 at 11:58:55 AM

" Note that the survey didn't specify "voter fraud". Voter suppression is very real, and there's a number of states where it's very difficult to say that elections are not rigged (or that they are rigged) due to lacking oversight."

Elections aren't rigged. Crackpot third parties are just salty about not obtaining mainstream support.

Our elections have simply never been conducive to high voter participation, but things like ballot stuffing and dead men rising to vote for a candidate are a thing of the past. Screaming that elections are rigged is a thing insane old white men do. Don't be like insane old white men.

edited 8th Aug '16 12:00:37 PM by CrimsonZephyr

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#134642: Aug 8th 2016 at 12:37:39 PM

[up][up] That's on (the collective) you to prove, and (the collective) we aren't willing to spend the money (on exit polls) to conclusively prove that in many states. Though given you've expressed open disdain for democracy in the past, I suppose that collective you doesn't actually include you.

edited 8th Aug '16 12:39:28 PM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#134643: Aug 8th 2016 at 12:40:09 PM

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. It's not our job to prove they aren't rigged. It's their job to prove they are.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#134644: Aug 8th 2016 at 12:42:01 PM

[up] I take it you'd also very much prefer to live in a dictatorship? Skepticism of power and cynicism regarding the powerful is an integral part of maintaining a democracy; to paraphrase various liberal philosophers: "democracy ceases to be when it is taken for granted."

edited 8th Aug '16 12:44:47 PM by CaptainCapsase

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#134645: Aug 8th 2016 at 12:47:05 PM

[up][up]

In fairness, just look back at what happened in the Maricopa County primary - regardless of whether it was deliberate or not, people being purged from voter rolls (including someone in the AZ Secretary of State's own office) and 8-hour lines does not inspire voter confidence in the system.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#134646: Aug 8th 2016 at 12:47:44 PM

[up][up]The hell does that have to do with anything? If you're making an extraordinary claim (elections are rigged), then asking for extraordinary proof is a legitimate response. "It's OBVIOUS, why won't you WAKE UP SHEEPLE?!" does not constitute proof.

edited 8th Aug '16 12:47:57 PM by NativeJovian

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#134647: Aug 8th 2016 at 12:48:08 PM

[up][up] Moreover, the rather blatant voter suppression tactics employed by the GOP.

[up] I'm not saying or claiming that elections are rigged. Just that the fact that we can't say for sure in certain states is a problem.

edited 8th Aug '16 12:50:37 PM by CaptainCapsase

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#134648: Aug 8th 2016 at 12:57:18 PM

It is generally safe to assume that, in any state where Republicans have maintained control of the legislative process, there are attempts at voter suppression. However, evidence is still required if one is to sustain such a claim.

edited 8th Aug '16 12:57:31 PM by Fighteer

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#134650: Aug 8th 2016 at 1:02:51 PM

[up][up] It is almost universally agreed upon by philosophers of democracy across history that a democratic society requires constant vigilance on the part of its citizens against attempts by particular entities ro subvert the system for their own benefit. That being the case, an absence of compelling evidence against electoral tampering is still a concerning matter.

edited 8th Aug '16 1:31:50 PM by CaptainCapsase


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