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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#134576: Aug 7th 2016 at 5:46:09 PM

Probably something like this:

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#134577: Aug 7th 2016 at 5:46:53 PM

Trump is already setting up a narrative wherein the election was "stolen" from him. Which is extremely dangerous rhetoric that has resulted in civil wars in less developed countries. I expect his movement will have a certain degree of staying power, much like the right wing movements that have sprung up in Europe.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#134578: Aug 7th 2016 at 5:56:45 PM

In relation the question of voting< how long does it take to count every single vote in the US?

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A procrastination in of itself
#134579: Aug 7th 2016 at 5:57:38 PM

It's done electronically so it's not that difficult I belive.

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#134580: Aug 7th 2016 at 6:13:01 PM

[up][up][up]This is one of the points we should stress: candidates who are interested in being a Republic's head of state ought to tone down the "I'll lose because the system hates real Americans" rhetoric. It's almost literally poisonous to a democracy, and is indicative of a candidate more concerned for his image than the duties of the office he allegedly wants.

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vandro Shop Owner from The little shop that wasn't Since: Jul, 2009
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#134581: Aug 7th 2016 at 6:22:49 PM

Electronic voting...or electronic recounting?

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#134582: Aug 7th 2016 at 6:27:47 PM

In apropos of nothing, how do you rig an election? Any election at any level? Especially an U.S election?

This wouldn't work in America, but the usual way people rig elections is to control who runs in them and control the media. Physically rigging an election is an act of desperation - it's much better to rig them invisibly. Look at countries like Russia, Iran, and Turkey. If you never have a true opposition candidate, it doesn't matter how people vote. If you control the media so everybody legitimately likes you due to constant propaganda, you don't even have to go that far.

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#134584: Aug 7th 2016 at 7:02:28 PM

[up][up][up][up]It's highly doubtful they care.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#134585: Aug 7th 2016 at 7:03:13 PM

[up][up] Oh my god, that's awful. The deepest sympathies to the family...

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#134586: Aug 7th 2016 at 7:42:06 PM

Ugh, what a way to go, and a damn kid as well.sad

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#134587: Aug 7th 2016 at 7:57:02 PM

a candidate more concerned for his image than the duties of the office he allegedly wants.

In case you hadn't noticed, this is Trump personified. But you're preaching to the choir, here. Tell us something we don't already know.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#134589: Aug 7th 2016 at 8:06:02 PM

Even if you have paper ballots fraud would be difficult to prove.

I've worked several elections and the process goes something like this

1: You have party insiders sit down and physically watch you tally the votes

2: your tally is written in pen

3: call those results in.

4: the poll officer then notes the numbers, gets two witness signatures, boxes up the ballots and then delivers them plus their notebook of the tally to the polling office

5: the small army of people at this office then tally all the district tallys up and phone those to elections canada/ontario. If it's a blowout they'll start posting results within an hour or so of the polls being closed (fun fact: due to some difficulties with my last election they had already called it for the liberals by the time I was going to my car) or if it's close then they physically have to open every box and recount every vote. This can take awhile.

So in this system you'd have to either manufacture a shit tonne of ballots (fun fact: every single ballot needs to be accounted for so if some magically appear that's a shutdown level event) or payoff an entire polling district to not blab about obvious voter fraud.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#134590: Aug 7th 2016 at 8:12:09 PM

[up] In short, voter fraud requires a whole bunch of fraudsters, all on the inside, all with the same objective, and all working in collusion, or else it won't fly.

Which may be possible on a small scale, like a local government or a Third-World country, but not for something with the scope of the US presidential election.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#134591: Aug 7th 2016 at 10:46:58 PM

Although, if you know that a certain voting district is going to go against you, you could theoretically start a fire or explosion that destroys all the ballots before they can be counted.

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#134592: Aug 7th 2016 at 10:50:26 PM

[up]x4 He got launched and went splat on the netting from what I can tell.

edited 7th Aug '16 10:50:42 PM by rmctagg09

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Destroyer of Worlds
#134593: Aug 7th 2016 at 11:37:24 PM

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8148/5-ways-tell-obamas-lying-about-iranian-ransom-aaron-bandle

Anyone know how to defeat this argument? How accurate is it?

Someone got in an FB argument with a friend of mine and they linked this and I want to come in but reading it I'm unsure what to say

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#134594: Aug 8th 2016 at 2:56:14 AM

Texas Land Commissioner and Texas GOP victory chairman George P. Bush is urging Republicans to keep supporting Trump.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
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#134595: Aug 8th 2016 at 2:57:28 AM

"victory chairman"?

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tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#134596: Aug 8th 2016 at 3:07:08 AM

He's basically heads the GOP's statewide campaign.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#134597: Aug 8th 2016 at 3:18:33 AM

@pwi: With properly handled paper ballots and/or with extensive exit polling yes, it's quite difficult to rig an election. As things currently stand though, there are some states where the level of election monitoring is quite deficient

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#134598: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:41:23 AM

You're exactly right about voter fraud, pweigle. It does occur, but pretty much only in local elections where a dozen votes are enough to swing the election, because if you start widening your net too close to the triple digits you're going to attract the attention of state or federal regulators.

Absentee-ballot fraud is the easiest, but it's also easy to catch because it's typically done by taking non-voters and filling out their ballots for them, which means election monitors will notice the sudden spike in absentee ballots compared to previous years (if you average 10% and suddenly it's 15% and all of the new voters are going one way).

The one that Voter ID is meant to catch (if Voter ID were not, itself, really just meant to rig elections for Republicans), in-person impersonation, is nearly impossible on a large scale because you have to typically memorize your victim's signature, and *know* that they haven't voted yet by the time you get there.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#134599: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:34:50 AM

Evan McMullin, a CIA veteran and chief policy director of the House Republican conference, is expected to announce an independent presidential bid on Monday.

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#134600: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:52:52 AM

Reddit satirizes birtherism by saying Trump won't release his tax returns because he donates to NAMBLA.

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