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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#134526: Aug 7th 2016 at 9:18:56 AM

Silas: I don't know why you say Snowden worked with journalists to vet things. He didn't. He stole a bunch of documents and sent them to journalists to vet for him, without being able to read and understand what he took.

Given he's been caught in a lie more than once on his vetting claims, can we stop repeating it?

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#134527: Aug 7th 2016 at 9:23:44 AM

He's still in contact with the journalists, yes he gave them everything but he's still working with them to decide what to release.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#134528: Aug 7th 2016 at 9:30:14 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/07/politics/john-kasich-donald-trump-election-2016/index.html

John Kasich has confirmed that Donald Trump's son contacted an aide of his to ask Kasich to be Vice President. He also confirms the rumors that he was promised a chance to be the most powerful VP on history.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#134529: Aug 7th 2016 at 9:31:18 AM

Including, again, things with no relation to his original stated mission, and your claim goes against what he's claimed at various points.

And why, exactly, am I taking Snowden's word for anything? Mr. "I was totally spying on people for the NSA and I could totally have hacked the President honest."

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#134530: Aug 7th 2016 at 9:46:06 AM

I'm not denying that Snowden has problems or that he's made a bunch of mistakes, but I think it's unfair to him to act as if he's been as iresponsible and malicious as Wikileaks have been.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#134531: Aug 7th 2016 at 9:52:03 AM

And since it's none of the EU's business that's meaningless. The USA can call for all charges against a European criminal to be dropped but it ain't gonna happen.

Eh. The EU has the right to determine for itself who it will and won't offer asylum to - this vote was about EU member states, not the US. It was part of a wider assessment by the EU of how the Commission and the EU member states deal with electronic mass surveillance of EU citizens, both within the EU and with regards to transfer of personal data of EU citizens to 'third countries' (non-EU countries such as the US).

The main issue was that the US does not give personal data (of EU citizens) the level of protection required by the EU, so the EU ruled that the US Safe Harbour scheme between the EU and the US was invalid (the Commission needed to report on alternatives to Safe Harbour by the end of 2015). The knock-on effect from this and other associated assessments (including the recommendation to terminate the Terrorist Finance Tracking Programme that was agreed between the EU and US) was that EU member states who have charges against Snowdon are advised to drop their charges and commit to EU asylum.

The international press, however, was only interested in the Snowdon part in isolation from everything else the EU was assessing.

edited 7th Aug '16 10:05:21 AM by Wyldchyld

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#134532: Aug 7th 2016 at 10:26:42 AM

[up][up] That's kind of textbook "damning with faint praise," I think.

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#134533: Aug 7th 2016 at 11:47:44 AM

[up] So? You appear to be under the impression that I'm a fan of Snowden, I'm not and find many of his actions questionable at best.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#134534: Aug 7th 2016 at 11:49:12 AM

So it seems a WSJ reporter called Hannity a moron on Twitter and Hannity promptly had a meltdown because of it.

Schadenfreude. Love it.

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#134535: Aug 7th 2016 at 12:01:08 PM

Sean Hannity?

He's some guy from Fox News, right?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#134536: Aug 7th 2016 at 12:02:45 PM

Is the tweet, or Hannity's reaction, still around to see?

Is this it? http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57a43623e4b021fd987835a2

edited 7th Aug '16 12:13:36 PM by sgamer82

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#134537: Aug 7th 2016 at 12:08:11 PM

[up][up]He's probably their biggest name after Bill O'Reilly.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#134538: Aug 7th 2016 at 12:13:45 PM

I'd argue Megyn Kelly has become second to O'Reilly in the last year or so, but Hannity is up there, and he makes Bill seem like a reasonable moderate by comparison.

The twitter of the guy who went after Hannity: https://twitter.com/StephensWSJ (scroll a tad to see his remarks). Hannity tweets too much (and too vitriolically) for me to bother searching for his response, but articles have posted the tweet, basically its him saying if Hil wins, it will be because of assholes like him (Stephens).

[up][up]Yes, thats it.

edited 7th Aug '16 12:14:10 PM by FFShinra

chartoc Since: Apr, 2010
#134539: Aug 7th 2016 at 12:15:29 PM

Yes that was the tweetstorm. Funny coming from him.

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#134540: Aug 7th 2016 at 12:26:54 PM

Comedic value aside, there is something in Hannity's ranting. If Clinton wins the election, the Republicans aren't going to do any soul searching about what they did wrong and how to fix it like they did after Romney - admittedly, they ultimately ignored their own studies and plan, but it was a start. The Tea Party and Trumpettes will blame the Moderate/Establishment Republicans for not supporting Trump and double down on their ideology.

Ask any Tea Party types what Establishment candidates McCain and Romney did wrong and the near universal response is that they weren't conservative enough. Now that they're getting their turn, they sure aren't going to take the blame if they lose.

optimusjamie Since: Jun, 2010
#134541: Aug 7th 2016 at 12:37:53 PM

@Handle in the military thread:

What is it with the left's association with weed consumption? It seems like a pretty stupid thing to latch on to. Unless it's a "let's love whatever the squares hate" kind of thing?

It has a lot to do with the excessive way the government clamps down on it - see the other wiki.

Direct all enquiries to Jamie B Good
fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#134542: Aug 7th 2016 at 12:45:51 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up] "John Kasich has confirmed that Donald Trump's son contacted an aide of his to ask Kasich to be Vice President. He also confirms the rumors that he was promised a chance to be the most powerful VP on history."

Oh, yeah. I remember that from John Oliver. If I remember right, didn't Trump try to get Kasich as VP by offering him control of "domestic and foreign policy" with Trump focusing on "making America great" with implied control over space policy.

That's just...where do I begin? Where the hell do I even begin?

edited 7th Aug '16 12:50:17 PM by fredhot16

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#134543: Aug 7th 2016 at 12:55:59 PM

It's funny. People joke about Bush 2 being a puppet for Cheney and her we have Trump trying to manufacture the same situation on purpose.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#134544: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:10:57 PM

[up] Or at least trying to give that impression in order to get the support of the GOP establishment and lull them into thinking they'll be able to control him. Kaisich at least seems to remember how well that worked with Adolf Hitler. (and Joseph Stalin, and Mussolini IIRC, and far to many dictators and usurpers to count over the course of history).

edited 7th Aug '16 1:12:26 PM by CaptainCapsase

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#134545: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:13:15 PM

It's funny but in a "Point and laugh but should we really be doing this" way. I mean...how does that even work?

Is Kasich supposed to be in control of the government? Is Trump supposed to be king with Kasich as Prime Minister? Is Kasich supposed to hold control of almost every cabinet position? Is he supposed to replace the cabinet with his own dudes?

Just how is the process supposed to go? What the absolute hell does "making America great" mean? What is he supposed to be doing?

Just...this is baffling. Allow me to use a certain Futurerama meme by a certain green alien: GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK LIKE THAT!

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#134546: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:19:35 PM

It seems pretty simple to me. Trump wants the glory of leadership without any of the hard work. Basically, he thought he'd just nominate the least controversial of his competitors to deal with the everyday hardship of leading one of the world's biggest nations, while giving himself free reign to focus on a couple of vanity projects.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#134547: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:20:08 PM

[up]x5 Your arrows will block out the sun!!

edited 7th Aug '16 1:20:57 PM by Protagonist506

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#134548: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:23:49 PM

[up]Considering the world now, wouldn't that be a much more merciful death?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#134549: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:26:13 PM

Clinton's convention surge is showing no signs of fading.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-clintons-post-convention-bump-is-holding-steady/?ex_cid=538fb

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#134550: Aug 7th 2016 at 1:36:44 PM

Just looked at CNN a couple of seconds ago. Apparently Trump's focusing on leaving GOP-affiliated voters in North Carolina. Anybody got any more info to offer about that? Think it will go well?

Actually, how did North Carolina go in the last election?

edited 7th Aug '16 1:39:28 PM by fredhot16

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