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#134326: Aug 5th 2016 at 2:17:18 PM

They're around, I think that a bunch of them just lost their primaries due to having run a state (Kansas?) into the ground by actually implimenting their nutty ideas.

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#134327: Aug 5th 2016 at 2:21:06 PM

They're Running the Asylum, or trying to. They're part of the reason the GOP is in so much shit right now, they primaried-out the moderates who wouldn't toe their line, and then a lot of their base went to Trump since the Tea Party weren't tearing down Washington fast enough for their liking.

edited 5th Aug '16 2:21:32 PM by Elle

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#134328: Aug 5th 2016 at 2:35:33 PM

I think Trump gets on some level that he needs to have a good relationship with Paul Ryan if he wants to get anything done after he wins.

Which means he's starting to think long-term, if only in the loosest sense.

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#134329: Aug 5th 2016 at 2:42:30 PM

[up]surprisedOh, SHIT! Is he actually learning something? Will he actually not turn on this later? Is this the official turnabout of Trump's campaign?

...Hope not.

edited 5th Aug '16 2:46:49 PM by fredhot16

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#134331: Aug 5th 2016 at 3:14:13 PM

This ought to be good. Trump is so petty, thin-skinned, and too honest for his own good. I don't trust him to turn around and endorse Paul Ryan like this without cocking it up somehow.

"Paul Ryan is, Paul Ryan, you see Paul Ryan is the kind of senator that you might, uh, might support if you don't want to upset your party leadership. I mean, the thing about Paul Ryan, here's the thing, the thing is that Paul Ryan is definitely not a sleeper agent for the Muslims. Can we say that about his opponent? Don't know. We don't know."

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#134333: Aug 5th 2016 at 3:40:03 PM

And even if he does clean up his act, he can't undo the post-convention damage.

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#134334: Aug 5th 2016 at 4:11:40 PM

US debt to top WW2 peak within twenty years How is this not a concern again? When China gets into debt people yell all about how a crisis is imminent.

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#134335: Aug 5th 2016 at 4:13:36 PM

Does anybody feel optimistic enough to fantasize about what Donald Trump will do after the election when he loses? Think he'll try to run again?

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#134336: Aug 5th 2016 at 4:16:04 PM

I'd like to think the GOP isn't stupid enough to nominate him twice. Of course if they are it would be great for Clinton.

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#134337: Aug 5th 2016 at 4:21:34 PM

[up]Who says he'll be a Republican again or that he'll be nominated? I see a possible new party given birth by him.

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#134338: Aug 5th 2016 at 4:21:51 PM

[up][up][up]I think Trump would have some kind of existential meltdown after he loses by a landslide. He's deluded himself into believing that he's a perennial winner, despite the fact that every single one of his previous ventures has failed miserably.

This might be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back. Personally, I can imagine Trump in a straitjacket, locked up in a padded cell, ranting and raving about his latest "can't lose" scheme and the (nonexistent) multitudes of adoring fans who all worship him...

edited 5th Aug '16 4:37:56 PM by pwiegle

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#134339: Aug 5th 2016 at 4:27:17 PM

I seriously think there could be riots if Trump loses. Especially if he refuses to concede and claims Clinton cheated.

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#134340: Aug 5th 2016 at 4:36:33 PM

US debt to top WW 2 peak within twenty years How is this not a concern again? When China gets into debt people yell all about how a crisis is imminent.
China's problems aren't that it's in debt, it's that it's creating a bubble by artificially raising demand above sustainable levels by subsidizing economic growth. Basically, they're getting people to spend money they don't have on stuff they don't want, in the name of boosting their economy. That can't go on forever, and when the bubble pops, it's going to be painful. (It's possible that China will manage to deflate the bubble without letting it actually pop, but so far they've made no moves in that direction. Instead, they're still inflating it further.)

The reason the debt doesn't matter is because the US's credit is still good. We can keep borrowing forever and it doesn't matter until people stop lending us money (which in this case, means buying bonds). That's nowhere near happening, and not likely to happen in the foreseeable future unless something changes dramatically. Remember, the one thing that has damaged the federal government's credit rating wasn't going deeper into debt, it was threatening to not pay off said debts (back when the Tea Party was holding up budget bills from passing). And because the US's national debt is in US dollars, and the US federal government controls the US dollar, we can literally print as much money as we need to pay off the debt whenever we want. In certain circumstances, expanding the money supply this way (by printing more of it) would cause inflation, which can cause problems itself, but inflation rates right now are extremely low and the circumstances for inflation problems don't currently exist.

edited 5th Aug '16 4:38:08 PM by NativeJovian

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#134341: Aug 5th 2016 at 4:40:45 PM

[up] Correct. The United States could issue a trillion dollars every week for the rest of the year and it would have little effect on the economy unless we did something CRRRRAAAAAZZZYYY like give it to actual consumers to spend. Heaven forbid.

China's problem is partly its demand inflation, but it also has massive investment bubbles, much of which are tied up in real estate. Its private sector has borrowed heavily in dollars to hedge against the weakness of the renminbi, meaning that it's subject to a deflationary crisis if the renminbi depreciates to the point where those businesses can't repay those debts. It is highly dependent on its trade surplus to finance its growth, so if that dries up (say, if the U.S. has a massive fiscal crisis), it's up shit creek.

edited 5th Aug '16 4:41:13 PM by Fighteer

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#134342: Aug 5th 2016 at 4:44:47 PM

On debt don't forget that a lot of US debt is owned to the US itself, either within the US goverment itself or to private individuals and groups within the US.

Nobody can collect on the US' debt, not legally and not practically, nor does anyone want to.

The US debt relative to WW 2 means little, the US economy is also much bigger than it was during WW 2, the US population is larger, GDP is higher, ect...

My debt in my 50s with likely be higher then it is today, but I'll also be earning a lot more then I am today, so it's okay, the same logic applies.

edited 5th Aug '16 4:45:51 PM by Silasw

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#134343: Aug 5th 2016 at 5:30:38 PM

Does anybody feel optimistic enough to fantasize about what Donald Trump will do after the election when he loses? Think he'll try to run again?

[up][up][up]I think Trump would have some kind of existential meltdown after he loses by a landslide. He's deluded himself into believing that he's a perennial winner, despite the fact that every single one of his previous ventures has failed miserably.

This might be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back. Personally, I can imagine Trump in a straitjacket, locked up in a padded cell, ranting and raving about his latest "can't lose" scheme and the (nonexistent) multitudes of adoring fans who all worship him...

I think he's fully ready to lose. In some way the election is basically a win/win scenario. Hell, I'd argue he WANTS to lose. He's already set up the scenario of his defeat (talking how the elections will be rigged) so when he loses, his supporters keep their loyalty and their Trump hats and flags and shirts and ties. They'll become to them a monument to what could've been. The media will for years rush to Trump whenever something political happens to see what insane or racist thing will come out of his face hole. He's already got new editions of his book printed for a waiting public, and him losing the election will open the way for another book about how Trump explains how the election was stolen from him. Really, why would he even want the trouble to be President? This has been the single greatest publicity tour of his entire life, win or lose he'll have legions of fanatically dedicated followers, the media at his beck and call.

edited 5th Aug '16 5:32:27 PM by Ghilz

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#134344: Aug 5th 2016 at 5:53:25 PM

Why document leakers are not heroes. I know lots of us already agree with the sentiment in the article, but I thought it summed it up well.

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#134345: Aug 5th 2016 at 6:10:59 PM

[up][up][up] I think their saying it's higher relative to GDP than it was at the end of WW 2

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#134346: Aug 5th 2016 at 6:29:44 PM

[[clearcongress.com/dont-live-in-a-swing-state-maybe-you-should-vote-third-party/]]

What's everyone's thoughts on the article? I've seen several people on Facebook subscribing to similar ideas.

edited 5th Aug '16 6:30:55 PM by Soopor

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#134347: Aug 5th 2016 at 6:52:22 PM

Voting 3rd party in a non-swing states means that Stein and/or Johnson are one vote closer to getting a more prominent platform to spew their respective flavors of garbage and/or (especially in Stein's/the Greens' case) make a more effective attempt to draw votes away from the Dems (which will only help the GOP unless you completely reject FPTP first) in 2020 or beyond.

edited 5th Aug '16 6:55:07 PM by Rationalinsanity

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#134348: Aug 5th 2016 at 7:11:01 PM

@Ambar: I agree with the article but this example used is just a piss-poor one.

For example, of the thousands of DNC emails released by Wiki Leaks, only a half dozen or so seemed to gain any sort of attention. For example, in one of them, a DNC staffer tossed up an idea that Sanders should be asked about his religious views. While some have suggested that this is anti-Semitic because Sanders is Jewish, there have been numerous rumors over the years that Sanders is actually atheist; rumors that persist, even though Sanders himself has said he isn’t. However, what if the email’s author thought he was an atheist? Doesn’t that change the argument in some ways?
No it doesn't, unless you think discrimination against atheists is ok.

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#134349: Aug 5th 2016 at 7:19:04 PM

Ugh, this is shaping up more and more to be an election that I'd love to see a "None of the Above" option listed, as the French company, LaFarge, is currently under investigation for supplying weapons to ISIS, and there's allegations that Clinton (who'd served as Director in the '90s) might be directly tied to it. It might be Assange pointing that particular allegation at her, but he's also promising more leaks that prove the allegation.

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It wouldn't be the first time high-level functionaries in an administration has done that. Iran-Contra was the illegal one, the proxy-war in Afghanistan in the '80s was the above-board (but still covert) one.

What happens if a Presidential Candidate gets formally indicted in criminal court? We all know Trump won't back out as a result of his being taken to civil court over Trump U., but this could bode poorly. And while the criticism I've seen (both here and from the DNC itself) is that "It's the Russians trying to undermine the US!", that finger-pointing does jack-all to address the underlying issue that the DNC did collude with the Clinton campaign, and there's evidence that certain articles came directly from Clinton-affiliated Super PACS, similar to how we've criticized ALEC for literally drafting legislation for legislators to propose.

edited 5th Aug '16 7:30:17 PM by ironballs16

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#134350: Aug 5th 2016 at 7:19:05 PM

[up][up]Saying that someone is an atheist when they are, in fact, an atheist, doesn't really hit the level of discrimination. The fact that being non-religious is Not Okay for a politician in America is problematic, but stating a fact is not. Cynical and arguably dishonest, maybe, but so it claiming to be religious when you're actually atheist. Certainly pointing out that someone is an atheist isn't anti-semitic, though, which is what the article was getting at.

[up]Clinton was on the board of a company twenty years before ISIS was a thing, therefore she's responsible that they may have negotiated with ISIS in order to continue doing business in Syria? Sure, sounds reasonable.

edited 5th Aug '16 7:21:50 PM by NativeJovian

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