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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#134301: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:55:50 AM

That is true to be sure. As Mr Enter said, describing The Fairly Odd Parents "The problem with this is show is that all men are idiots, all women are nags." (slightly paraphrased)

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#134302: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:55:58 AM

"the woman always saving herself are annoying"

Why? Men do it all the time in all media. If they even have to be saved in the first place.

the gender gap closed a long time ago—and then went into reverse. Obama in the Oval Office was humiliating enough. But Hillary will be worse: We’re going to lose any idea at all that leadership is a man’s job.
So the gender gap closed but the idea that a leader has to be a man can still be lost (i.e. is still here). And we should preserve that. These people...

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#134303: Aug 5th 2016 at 11:01:38 AM

[up]I think it has more to do with Damsel in Distress being a Dead Horse Trope and acting like you're being original for having your damsel break herself out and anviliciously declare that she doesn't need the hero's help is kind of annoying. Really, the over-arching problem essentially goes down to parodies of fairy tale tropes: They're a bit overdone.

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#134304: Aug 5th 2016 at 11:03:23 AM

I seriously don't think that's what they mean.

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#134305: Aug 5th 2016 at 11:08:54 AM

@Elle: Well, really the only other Republican-leaning state on the 538 map that could even plausibly go to Clinton in that scenario is Arizona, and trying to make a pun that one is rather more prickly.

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#134306: Aug 5th 2016 at 11:09:00 AM

I'm curious - how many people who've supported Trump up until now have turned their backs on him in the past week, and why?

I mean, obviously we can probably guess, but I'd be interested to hear from them.

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#134307: Aug 5th 2016 at 11:11:17 AM

[up][up][up]Exactly.

ENTITLED MALE: Women shouldn't be saving themselves or getting in the last punch on the villain! That's a man's job!

...is what they're saying, basically.

edited 5th Aug '16 12:42:02 PM by kkhohoho

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#134310: Aug 5th 2016 at 11:44:53 AM

[up][up]Stein is up to almost 4 percent according to that article. Ugh. If all those people voted for Clinton over Trump he'd be pretty soundly defeated.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#134311: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:00:34 PM

Jill Stein is what a left wing Tea Party would look like.

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#134312: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:03:42 PM

Brad DeLong: Thoughts on the 97F August Prairie, or "Why is Kansas a red state when it derives half of its economy from federal transfers?"

If what they claim to want government to do actually happened, Kansas would rapidly descend into a third-world level of impoverishment and probably have rioting and open revolt within a year.

edited 5th Aug '16 12:09:32 PM by Fighteer

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#134313: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:24:30 PM

[up]

Because of various wedge issues (e.g. abortion and teh gaiz).

And in regards to the "men should be the leader", that's an unfortunate combination of two well-worn tropes - White Male Lead (which gets reinforced time and again, like with the upcoming "Great Wall" movie starring Matt Damon) and Men Act, Women Are. The latter is a bit fairer of a criticism, as when you reduce the man's role in the story, he (generally speaking) doesn't get much more to do in exchange for giving that limelight up to the "inherently valuable" woman, unless he's portrayed in a negative light.

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#134314: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:28:11 PM

ENTITLED MALE: Women shouldn't be saving themselves or getting in the last punch in on the villain! That's a man's job!

...is what they're saying, basically.

To be fair, feminists would like to see less of this too. More movies in which men have to save themselves and women get all the punches on the villain would be nice to see. tongue

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#134315: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:31:21 PM

Paul Ryan's primary opponent wants to debate plans to ethnically cleanse Muslims from the US.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/04/politics/paul-nehlen-deport-muslims-paul-ryan/index.html

This kind of crap could get you arrested in some countries.

edited 5th Aug '16 12:35:36 PM by Rationalinsanity

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#134316: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:32:52 PM

From the article a page or so back about what Trump supporters believe:

I bet you don’t own a gun. I bet you’ve never had a DUI either. So it wouldn’t worry you that you could lose the first if you get the second. But it worries our voters. Their lives are kind of messed up. They get into trouble.
THEN MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE GUNS. IF THEY CAN'T ACT RESPONSIBLY WITH A POTENTIALLY LETHAL FORM OF TRANSPORTATION MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THINGS DESIGNED TO BE VERY GOOD AT KILLING SHIT.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#134317: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:42:03 PM

[up]

Yeah, that one has never made sense to me, as the DUI would indicate poor impulse control - and thus not exactly fitting to be a gun owner. Or the even weirder argument that open/concealed-carry should be permitted everywhere, including bars. Seriously, there was a reason even Old West towns demanded firearms be turned in upon getting there, and given back when you saddle up to leave.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#134318: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:25:01 PM

I've heard the argument that putting restrictions on gun ownership as te result of misdoing is treating the right to bear arms as a "second class right" but that fails to acknowledge the fact that basic liberty (not being held in captivity) is as basic as a right gets, yet you probably don't have a problem with sending a person who breaks the law to jail, with all the baggage a criminal record implies. That's part of the whole social contract - you abuse it, you lose it.

edited 5th Aug '16 1:26:01 PM by Elle

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#134319: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:30:55 PM

California declares August to be Muslim Appreciation Month.

The California State Assembly voted Monday to pass a resolution that officially recognizes August 2016 as Muslim Appreciation and Awareness Month.

The resolution comes at a time of increased anti-Muslim rhetoric, according to a recent civil rights report compiled by the California chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).

HR-59, introduced by California Assemblymember Bill Quirk in June after Quirk was approached by a community activist on the issue, was officially passed Aug. 1 with bipartisan support.

"Muslim Americans have made contributions to education, science, entertainment and medicine both nationally and globally," Quirk told NBC News in an email. "Unfortunately, the Muslim community has been, and continues to be, the target of harassment, discrimination and assaults."

He added, "It is appropriate to acknowledge and promote awareness of the myriad invaluable contributions of Muslim Americans in California and across the country, and extend to them the respect and camaraderie every American deserves."

...

"Muslims participate in every facet of life in California and for them to be appreciated for their contributions ... it's very hopeful for the community when the community is under siege in this election cycle," Elkarra said.

Earlier this week, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump suggested that Ghazala Khan, the mother of a U.S. Army captain who was killed in Iraq, did not speak on stage at the Democratic National Convention because "maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say." In response, Muslim-American women on Twitter began using the hashtag #Can You Hear Us Now to challenge stereotypes and anti-Muslim rhetoric.

...

At the Muslim Appreciation and Awareness Month Celebration in Sacramento, California, on Monday, Zahra Billoo, executive director of CAIR - San Francisco Bay Area (CAIR-SFBA), emphasized the resolution's timeliness given recent events on the 2016 campaign trail.

"It's particularly important for me as a Muslim woman to be speaking out and to be joined by my colleagues here ... to send a strong message that we are speaking out for ourselves, that we are proud residents of this state, and that we are stronger when we stand together," Billoo said.

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#134320: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:32:20 PM

Why Conservatives and Progressives Share an Interest in a Huge Trump Loss

Consider two different scenarios.

In scenario one, Hillary Clinton barely beats Donald Trump. Some in the GOP conclude that his appeal to white identity politics could be successful if only it were executed better. They double down on scapegoating Hispanics and Muslim Americans. And Clinton’s reelection campaign looks a lot like her effort does this year.

In scenario two, Hillary Clinton routs Donald Trump. There is a broad realization in the Republican Party that white identity politics is a doomed strategy. It recasts its efforts by trying to win working class voters irrespective of race, courting young Hispanic families and working class whites alike with an agenda something like Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam laid out in Grand New Party. In that world, Hillary Clinton would be unable to lean as heavily on identity in her reelection effort. To avoid a primary challenge or a loss in the general election, she would have to advocate economic reforms and relief of a sort that Bernie Sanders would advocate.

That's an example of how a massive loss would benefit liberals.

And even if Trump wins this year, there is reason for conservatives to fear the identity politics he embodies and inspires even in the short term. That is partly because he will embrace redistributionist big government, albeit an iteration that directs its spoils to different constituencies. His efforts will displace much of what existing factions in the GOP hold dear: Neither social conservatives nor libertarian-leaning Republicans nor neoconservatives will gain standing. All may lose it.

(...)

And as Republican governors in blue states and representatives in purple districts find themselves having to distance themselves from Trump’s agenda to retain their seats, the president himself will have a greater incentive to pander to his base—that is, the part of the GOP coalition that is least motivated by principled conservatism and most motivated by racism, xenophobia, and economic protectionism.

And there's a reason for conservatives to want this disaster to end. Though I do question how many Americans actually hold conservative views in general. Is it a small minority?

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#134321: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:39:40 PM

I've read that it's about 50-50. I myself am a Conservative (or at least a rightist).

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#134322: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:41:17 PM

Minority? Possibly. Small? Probably not.

edited 5th Aug '16 1:42:01 PM by flameboy21th

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#134323: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:45:15 PM

Americans are broadly way more liberal than elected representatives as a whole, and even more liberal than those who do vote.

Surprisingly, the mostly poor/minorities who would vote but can't due to a million reasons stemming from being poor/minorities would pull this country far more to the left if they did.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#134324: Aug 5th 2016 at 2:06:53 PM

"Trump, looking to right the ship, plans to endorse Ryan" - http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN10G1ES

It also has a little recent stuff with Clinton and describes Trump's economic advisory panel

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#134325: Aug 5th 2016 at 2:13:59 PM

Did...did something happen to the Tea Party? I don't think I've heard of them in half a year.

[up]Think he'll really do it? Will he turn on it later? Will it matter?

edited 5th Aug '16 2:19:13 PM by fredhot16

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