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#134276: Aug 5th 2016 at 8:07:45 AM

Indirectly racist actions still have racist results. I cannot support principles that brazenly ignore their practical consequences.

edited 5th Aug '16 8:08:22 AM by Fighteer

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#134277: Aug 5th 2016 at 8:31:15 AM

The problem with libertarian political ideology is that it basically rejects the notion that anyone other than governments can be oppressive. They reject conservative attempts to regulate morality, but they also reject liberal attempts to enact social justice. Libertarians believe that the only thing governments are good for are national security and criminal justice (and some of the more ardent ones would scratch criminal justice, too).

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#134278: Aug 5th 2016 at 8:33:18 AM

And many libertarians are perfectly fine with groups of private individuals enforcing their morality on others so long as they don't call it "government", which is, again, staggeringly intellectually dishonest.

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#134279: Aug 5th 2016 at 8:44:05 AM

To be fair, government does have one thing that makes them categorically different from non-government entities — a monopoly on force. Other groups can only get people to do what they want by convincing them to do so, while the government can force people to do what they want.

In reality, though, this doesn't hold up. Soft power is a very real thing that has wide-ranging effects in society. While a strict libertarian government would come down hard on things like cross-burnings and lynchings, they wouldn't do anything to stop anyone from, say, refusing to hire black employees or serve black customers. It's entirely possible to be oppressive through those kinds of "soft" means that don't require infringing on the government's monopoly of force.

edited 5th Aug '16 8:44:51 AM by NativeJovian

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#134280: Aug 5th 2016 at 8:49:15 AM

[up][up][up]I would certainly agree with that notion. They don't seem to understand that all a lack of government oversight often leads to oppression. To use an extreme example: anarcho-capitalism would likely create a group of mega-corps that control business and the use of force, leading to a sort of "private communism" (of course, even Ayn Rand considered anarcho-capitalism extreme).

A just society does not exist without an organized use of force against the enemies of just society. For example, slavery only ceases to exist when society can protect people from it, which would never be the case in a stateless society.

edited 5th Aug '16 8:49:32 AM by Protagonist506

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#134281: Aug 5th 2016 at 8:50:23 AM

The idea that anyone can "take up a gun" to protect his/her own rights is mind-bogglingly obsolete. We aren't in a frontier society where man lives by his gun and his wits. We haven't been in the past century and a half.

edited 5th Aug '16 8:50:51 AM by Fighteer

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#134282: Aug 5th 2016 at 8:52:57 AM

Not to mention that the majority group will tend to have more guns than a minority group by definition.

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#134283: Aug 5th 2016 at 9:11:23 AM

And a purely libertarian society isn't likely to have any sort of regulation. Privately owned tanks anyone?

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#134284: Aug 5th 2016 at 9:15:31 AM

A libertarian society is unlikely to have much of the infrastructure needed for building tanks to begin with, I think. Or trains or roads or any of the millions of things we take for granted.

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#134285: Aug 5th 2016 at 9:20:56 AM

[up][up]Actually, in modern US, it is indeed legal to privately own a tank. They aren't 100% "street legal", though (I think there's some sort of licence you can get) because heavy treaded vehicles aren't good for the roads. But you can drive them around in the middle of nowhere without a problem.

I'm pretty sure the cannon at least needs a license, though.

The thing with privately owned BF Gs is that they're not very practical for criminal purposes, so they don't often get used for crimes, and therefore little regulation is actually made. For example, flamethrowers have less regulations than AR-15's (to put it this way: California has more restrictions on flamethrowers than other states do. Operating a flamethower without a license will get you something like a 20$ fine, if that)

edited 5th Aug '16 9:24:40 AM by Protagonist506

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thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#134286: Aug 5th 2016 at 9:23:52 AM

I wouldn't say libertarians are inherently racist but there does some to be a weird amount of racisty shit surrounding them. It's also been noted that libertarians are strikingly white and strikingly male. When the GOP is beatin' ya on diversity there's a problem.

Tanks are not exactly legal, depending on your definition of tank. A heavily armored machine on treads is pretty much fine anywhere but one with a working gun is going to be an issue in most states. Unless you're on private property. Then fuck yeah, tanks!

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#134287: Aug 5th 2016 at 9:30:44 AM

[up], [up][up]

Tanks are not exactly legal, depending on your definition of tank. A heavily armored machine on treads is pretty much fine anywhere but one with a working gun is going to be an issue in most states. Unless you're on private property. Then fuck yeah, tanks!

Quite correct. The same is the case in the UK (although most have deactivated weapons), although they are often very expensive to (restore) and run — even Tanks, but No Tanks.

edited 5th Aug '16 9:31:14 AM by Greenmantle

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#134288: Aug 5th 2016 at 9:36:47 AM

Yep. When you look at Trump's business ventures (with the exception of the real estate stuff, and even there it shows up) there is usually at least one enormous blatantly obvious flaw that just sinks the whole thing because Trump is a blithering idiot when it comes to business.

He sold steaks at an appliance store. He created a luxury airline for flights of less than 3 hours. The aforementioned problem with the casinos.

Why anyone thinks he's a successful businessman is beyond me because literally all the evidence points to him being horrible at it. The only thing he's good at is selling his own name and image, which is not a good substitute for actual intelligence or acumen. What's really weird about him is that he appears to think that those failed businesses still exist. He's referenced Trump Steaks more than once in the last year and it failed like 10 years ago.

To quote multibillionaire Michael Bloomberg from the DNC, "Trump says he's going to run the country like he runs his BUSINESS?! God help us!"

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#134289: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:24:11 AM

A Trump-opposing Republican talks to Trump supporters, and compiles this general speech from the types of things they say to him.

Too much to quote really, but basically, this says a lot about the mindset of Trump supporters, going by what they've told a Trump opponent.

Things like this:

“Here’s the bottom line. You live in an America that’s still a lot like your parents’ America. It’s mostly white. Nobody’s displacing and replacing you. It’s pretty safe too. You can read about rising crime—you don’t live it. In your America, you worry about how there aren’t enough women making Hollywood films or sitting on corporate boards. In our America, the gender gap closed a long time ago—and then went into reverse. Obama in the Oval Office was humiliating enough. But Hillary will be worse: We’re going to lose any idea at all that leadership is a man’s job.

“You’ve been building up to this for a long time. No more Superheroes rescuing women in the movies. The girl always has to throw the last punch herself. In the commercials, Dad’s either an idiot—or he’s doing the housework with his boyfriend.

I can certainly see why the manosphere supports Trump...

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#134290: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:26:23 AM

[up] There are better ways to fight against Political Correctness than to elect a fascist psycho who would probably end the world.

edited 5th Aug '16 10:26:34 AM by Bat178

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#134291: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:28:07 AM

The quote is just flat out racist and sexist, not even trying to hide it. It has nothing to do with political correctness.

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#134292: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:29:42 AM

You're assuming they wouldn't do so anyway because he's an "alpha".

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#134293: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:30:14 AM

The bumbling dad and the woman always saving herself are annoying. But then so were the omnipresent patriarch and the hero rescuing his idiot damsel. Most things are like that when done to much and too poorly.

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#134294: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:33:14 AM

Clinton is beating Trump in Georgia, according to a new poll.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/politics/clinton-leads-trump-georgia-poll/index.html

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#134295: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:35:55 AM

“Here’s what’s going to happen. We’re going to run up vote totals like you’ve never seen in places you’ve never been. Not just coal country, either. No, we don’t have what you’d call a proper campaign. What do we need it for? Campaigns spend most of their money on TV ads that do nothing except entertain you on You Tube on your lunch hour—oh, and pay huge commissions to the consultants who make them. It’s all a waste and rip-off. If our message is exciting, our voters will get to the polls on their own. And you have to admit: Our message is exciting!

And there's the logic behind Trump's hilariously bad campaign.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#134296: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:37:32 AM

[up][up]Well, Trump was out in georgia, he was looking for some votes to steal. He was in a bind because he was way behind, and he was willing to make a deal.

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#134297: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:44:31 AM

Clinton winning Georgia would pretty much be a case where the election turned into a Curb-Stomp Battle (e.g., she'd be soundly defeating Trump in all the current battleground states). It'd just mean things were really peachy for her.

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#134298: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:49:17 AM

The Internet Research Agency, Russia's paid brigade of trolls and provocateurs.(NY Times.) TLDR: Russia might be paying people to troll social media and spread both fearmongering/politician bashing and pro-Russia propiganda.

It's a long read and it feels Stranger Than Fiction. Among the things the journalist was working to trace to them were a hoax about ISIS attacking a chemical plant in Louisiana, one about a fake Ebola outbreak in Atlanta and one about a black woman being shot by police.

[up]Peachy... *facepalm*

edited 5th Aug '16 10:50:02 AM by Elle

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#134299: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:50:25 AM

[up]X3 Then the devil went "Wait, you haven't got a soul, fuck this I'm out of here".

edited 5th Aug '16 10:50:43 AM by Silasw

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#134300: Aug 5th 2016 at 10:52:18 AM

Most of that post was garbage, but I do have to agree with finding the "Idiot dad always having to hide things from his domineering wife" annoying as hell. I don't see how that reflects well on either gender or marriage.


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