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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#133627: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:25:50 AM

“Emotionally and physically — she just couldn’t even stand there,” Khan told the Post. “And when we left, as soon as we got off camera, she just broke down. And the people inside, the staff, were holding her, consoling her. She was just totally emotionally spent. Only those parents that have lost their son or daughter could imagine the pain that such a memory causes. Especially when a tribute is being paid. I was holding myself together, because one of us had to be strong. Normally, she is the stronger one. But in the matter of Humayun, she just breaks down any time anyone mentions it.

edited 31st Jul '16 10:26:06 AM by TheHandle

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#133628: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:33:43 AM

If the other candidates in the GOP primaries had half the courage that the Khans did, we wouldn't be worrying about Donald right now.

edited 31st Jul '16 10:33:55 AM by Rationalinsanity

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#133629: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:41:07 AM

Mrs. Khan for the record had now written an Op-Ed in the Washington Post telling Trump to shut up.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#133630: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:49:56 AM

I feel so much respect and sorrow for them. So I don't mean it in a cheap way to say [awesome] to the speech at the DNC as well as their additional responses. I wish they didn't have to deal with Donald Trump.

I will say though that this incident is a good illustration that Trump attacking people/doing outrageous things post-DNC is probably not actually a canny strategy to attract attention back to himself. Maybe it sometimes works out in his favor, but this supports a reading that he is very thin-skinned and has terrible judgment in addition to being a lousy person.

edited 31st Jul '16 10:50:31 AM by Hodor2

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#133631: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:54:20 AM

I really think Khan is the thing that ultimately brings Trump down. I know he's basically No-Sell a lot of his comments that would brought down lesser campaigns, but making fun of a soldier's parents when he died a hero?

Yeaaaaah, I don't think we've seen the ending fallout from all this.

Khan wasn't even primetime and he went viral.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#133632: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:58:24 AM

[up]I hope you are right. But Trump and his super Teflon skin have yet to be brought down. And I don't have any faith in the GOP base anymore, they won't repudiate him over this.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#133633: Jul 31st 2016 at 10:58:36 AM

One other thing that struck me is that Clinton was similarly denounced by families of Benghazi victims among others at the RNC and although she didn't respond by saying that their anger was misplaced (probably wisely), you can imagine someone reasonably responding in that way. And any halfway decent or at least intelligent person in Trump's situation would have either said nothing or made that kind of comment about the anger being misplaced. But of course he didn't, and both attacked the family and didn't make much of a pretense at feigning sympathy/empathy.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#133634: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:00:12 AM

A few idiots on the hard-right are now trying to claim that because her op-ed uses some of the same language her husband did, he must have really written it, or she must not really have anything of her own to say. That's desperate right there.

I told my dad that I have this suspicion that if I dropped dead tomorrow, his and my mom's commentary on me would quite similar.

edited 31st Jul '16 11:01:04 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#133635: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:01:42 AM

[up][up][up][up] Don't be too sure of that; if you read the comments on that article, you would see just how disgusting American conservatives have become. Even for Yahoo! News comments, saying things like "the Khans are just Clinton lap-dogs" and "the real black soul is in Islam" is appalling and monstrous as fuck.

edited 31st Jul '16 11:01:58 AM by SciFiSlasher

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#133636: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:04:15 AM

Any polling reflecting a convention bump yet?

Honestly, the thing that worries me most now are senate races...

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#133638: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:06:38 AM

[up][up] Judging by the latest polls, Trump's post-convention lead seems to have evaporated after the DNC.

edited 31st Jul '16 11:06:50 AM by DrDougsh

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#133639: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:08:59 AM

One thing is I just got an email reflecting...worriesome news about the Senate. Granted, the Republicans might be riding their own post-convention high

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#133641: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:29:19 AM

I would say the Khans actually exemplify what America strives to be, which is a nation of immigrants who have come to America for new, better lives as Americans and embracing America as their nation. Their son fought and died as an American war hero, and both are proud of their son and of America. The fact that they are Muslim immigrants, which is who Donald Trump declares as the enemy, help to exemplify just how wrong Trump's views actually are.

edited 31st Jul '16 11:29:49 AM by GameGuruGG

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#133642: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:31:12 AM

because her op-ed uses some of the same language her husband did, he must have really written it, or she must not really have anything of her own to say.
It would be hilarious if she actually wrote his speech.tongue

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#133643: Jul 31st 2016 at 11:36:22 AM

This election is normal vs abnormal.

[up]Apparently she did, in fact, write parts of his speech. And coached him through much of the rest of it.

TYT coming a bit back to sanity and Secular Talk goes in the opposite direction.

I'd missed this comment earlier. It's not really that surprising. Cenk has pretensions of being a newsman, however incompetent he might be at it in practise. The twit running Secular Talk, conversely, is your classic white atheist bro-dude. I haven't watched any of his output in a month or more, but let me guess—he's pretty upset that Kaine's a Catholic, continues to insist Clinton is corrupt, and is shilling for the Green Party?

edited 31st Jul '16 11:55:25 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#133644: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:13:07 PM

[up] Yup. Everything he projects on to Clinton applies to Jill Stein tenfold.

Like Brexit. She originally made a gigantic ass of herself with her initial statement (See Here)

Then when she finds out that the left vehemently opposed Brexit she took it down and completely changed her stance...within a DAY (New Statement)

edited 31st Jul '16 12:15:59 PM by TacticalFox88

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#133645: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:23:52 PM

And yet somehow Clinton is an evil "flip flopper" while Stein is not.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#133646: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:24:28 PM

Well, I mean, she's right: the EU elites are very much pro-austerity, to a highly destructive degree. The main content of the message is nearly identical in both instances.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#133647: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:27:04 PM

Stein is an oppurtunistic coward on everything from foreign policy to medicine.

And looks like the Trumpenfuhrer has gaffed on Ukraine. He said that Putin would not go into the country despite him having done just that two years ago. Even if you discount Crimea, that's still flat out incorrect.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/31/politics/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-crimea-putin/index.html

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#133648: Jul 31st 2016 at 12:56:48 PM

Wasn't the official line from Russia something to the effect that all the Russian soldiers in Ukraine were there unofficially, of their own accord, rather than being sent there by the military command?

Granted, that's possibly the flimsiest excuse ever.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#133649: Jul 31st 2016 at 1:02:45 PM

And even if that were true, having your citizens take up arms against another government while being unable/unwilling to stop them is still a hostile/neglectful act.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#133650: Jul 31st 2016 at 1:09:26 PM

@Polls: It's important to compare polls to the previous results from the pollster; the +5 result is only +1 from the pollster's last release after the RNC, where it was a major outlier. We're still not out of the woods until election day at the very least, and there's the lingering possibility that wikileaks has something more damaging they intend to release closer to election day for effect. They're certainly claiming they do.

edited 31st Jul '16 1:11:25 PM by CaptainCapsase


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