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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#132901: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:54:39 AM

Fucking hell, Trump really is with the Russians isn't he? Not even just overly friendly and stupid, he's genuinely on their side.

When did this happen?

Oh really when?
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132902: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:55:18 AM

[up]x[nja] Rebellion/sedition charges are still tricky as there would need to be enough evidence to bring formal charges and a trial. Also, all the stuff we've said about not wanting to martyr Trump to his followers applies here. Bringing charges against a presidential candidate in the middle of an election is as sure a way to do that as assassination without the benefit of being able to blame a lone madman.

[up][up]Link?

edited 27th Jul '16 10:57:39 AM by Elle

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132904: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:56:28 AM

Anyone got enough levels in Cleric to revive Mc Carthy?tongue

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#132905: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:57:23 AM

Don't expect anything to come from this.

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#132906: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:57:43 AM

Are we going to split the world with Russia or are we going to become Russia's bitch for the next 4-8 years?

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#132907: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:57:47 AM

[up]McCarthy was a Red Scare specialist. I doubt he knew shit about fascists.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#132908: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:58:26 AM

I don't know that I care much about the dangers of martyrdom anymore. Trump has now officially crossed the line from being a severe risk of pushing social progress back a hundred years to actually being a legitimate threat to American sovereignty itself.

If having him arrested means martyring him to his followers, that's a small price to pay to keep the United States from becoming a Soviet puppet state.

edited 27th Jul '16 10:59:00 AM by TobiasDrake

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#132909: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:58:50 AM

Something has to. The party that controls our Congress and is backed by the largest media outlet in the nation is led by a man who is an honest to god Russian agent.

Something has to happen.

edited 27th Jul '16 10:59:25 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#132910: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:02:22 AM

It's funny how much of the right loves the fuck out of Putin (supposedly for being a "strongman" who exemplifies everything they wish they were, plus similar kinds of social conservatism and ultranationalism) when fifty years ago they were Russia's biggest archenemies.

edited 27th Jul '16 11:02:37 AM by AlleyOop

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132911: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:02:52 AM

The supreme irony is that Trump is everything the Right-Win have screamed their heads off projecting on Obama x10.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#132912: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:03:49 AM

Calling him a Russian agent might be going a bit far. It could simply be that, as a far-right candidate, he likes the conservative Russian government more than the largely liberal European governments.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#132913: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:05:13 AM

If he's not acting on their explicit behalf then he's worshiping them to the point of throwing away the West's sovereignty.

Oh really when?
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#132914: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:05:59 AM

I don't think admiring Putin actually means he wants to ally with Russa or would bend over to support Russian interests. It's most like being a Worthy Opponent.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#132915: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:06:10 AM

Seems to go with Trump's particular brand of ethno-nationalist isolationism. Looks like he wants the world to be split into spheres, where no power interferes with another power. Maybe looking at a Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact 2.0.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#132916: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:06:43 AM

@Alley Oop

That's not unusual at all. Supporting past enemies against new ones is a part of the American tradition. Throughout the Cold War they backed neofascists and military dictators against Communists. Then when Islamic extremism became the enemy to fear they backed the Arab Socialist dictators against them. This is nothing new.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#132917: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:07:53 AM

[up][up][up]He says he will end sanctions, support the Russians in Ukraine, give them Crimea, will stop NATO from defending the Baltics.

This goes far beyond admiration. He doesn't treat them as an enemy, his entire policy is about acting in their best interests. Which are mutually exclusive with ours.

edited 27th Jul '16 11:08:03 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#132918: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:08:02 AM

[up][up][up][up] Dismantling NATO and taking their side on Crimea seems like a pretty blatant case of bending over to support Russian interests.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132919: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:08:48 AM

So, basically, the fate of the entire world rests on the hope that people hate Donald enough to hold their nose to vote for Hillary.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#132920: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:09:31 AM

I'd also like to say that I don't think you could make any criminal charges come from this, since Trump didn't specifically tell or ask Russia to hack Hillary Clinton. His Exact Words were "I hope you're able to", with the added "I think you will be mightily rewarded by our press."

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#132921: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:09:48 AM

[up][up][up]Okay. To be honest, I haven't been paying much attention to his policy claims for a while now. I was just talking about admiration in and of itself.

edited 27th Jul '16 11:09:59 AM by Clarste

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132922: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:11:26 AM

And yet despite the fact that the alternative is making Wolfenstein The New Order a reality, Clinton is still having issues.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#132923: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:12:49 AM

That's because part of the country actively wants that to happen, thinking it'll cleanse the country of its "filth", as if they won't be a part of it.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132924: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:13:10 AM

http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/07/clinton-campaign-email-accounts-were-targeted-by-russians-too/ - The last section, "Game of Pwns" is the relevant bit to the conversation.

While the Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear threats have been identified in the past primarily as a means of intelligence collection, Russian attackers have gone for disruptive attacks before. Previous attacks have targeted Ukraine's power grid, Estonia's government and financial institutions, and government websites and systems in Georgia, culminating with the 2008 conflict over South Ossetia. As with the DNC hack, it's difficult to tie those attacks to any specific organization in Russia. But all evidence suggests they were done for the benefit of the Russian government.

And disruption falls in line with Russian military and political doctrine. Information warfare—including cyber attacks, "soft" cyber-like social media propaganda and disinformation, and the implication of the ability to inflict political and economic damage on potential or actual adversaries—is an integral part of Russian military doctrine. Information warfare also factors into the Russian military-political concept of "containment"—preventing a potential adversary from attacks on Russia or threatening Russia's interests.

(...)

"Information operations, which can be non-military or military, are proceeding throughout the conflict, i.e. continuously," Lalu wrote. "In this sense, discussions on whether the term information war or warfare can be used before a clearly verified armed attack or an imminent threat of such an attack takes place, do sometimes sound unpractical." Information warfare like the DNC breach fits into what the Soviet military theoretician Mikhail Tukhachevsky called "deep battle"—"influencing the enemy simultaneously throughout the whole depth of its territory."

The main approach Russia has taken in information operations, Lalu noted, "has been breaking the unity of the target audience." Through its news media, through covert information operations, through use of social media (including Wikipedia leaks and possibly fake Twitter accounts spewing populist/nationalist propaganda in various countries that the Russian government senses are vulnerable), and through hacking, Russia could seek to break the unity of NATO countries and undermine its military readiness.

I'm not convinced Trump is smart enough to conspire with Russia, but I do think Putin is smart enough to exploit it.

edited 27th Jul '16 11:14:33 AM by Elle

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#132925: Jul 27th 2016 at 11:14:10 AM

People are really doubling down on the False Equivalence with the two candidates. Big fucking deal if the people themselves are unlikeable, what about their platforms? What about the things they believe in?

Or maybe it's because that despite the economic downturn, there are enough sufficiently sheltered idiots who think that using "cuck" once a twice a day will keep them safe from a fascist purge.

edited 27th Jul '16 11:17:11 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

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