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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132876: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:21:35 AM

Sigh. Let me underscore my revulsion and hatred of Trump since I am about to basically defend him.

The Constitution strictly limits the definition of treason as waging war on the US or giving aid and comfort to enemies (and that charges must be backed by at least two witnesses). Russia, in legal terms, is not currently an enemy (though they are seriously pushing it lately). Nor can you charge someone with treason just for saying something, you have to be actually doing something. In the era it was written you could be charged with treason just for saying something and even before they added the bill of rights they wanted to protect the right to say things that were against the government.

Additionally, there is no way to kick a candidate off an election ballot once on it. (You can pressure them very hard to withdraw but fat chance of that happening with Trump.)

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#132877: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:22:36 AM

The US military has a plan on the shelf for if the Girl Scouts attempted a coup.

(Otherwise, the entries in Crazy-Prepared and Girl Scouts Are Evil need to be amended.)

edited 27th Jul '16 10:24:34 AM by megarockman

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#132878: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:23:18 AM

@Tactical Fox

Hope not. No matter how bad Trump might be, a coup is not the answer.

edited 27th Jul '16 10:23:38 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#132879: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:23:33 AM

The CDC — which is an entirely civilian agency — has a plan for a hypothetical Zombie Apocalypse.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#132880: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:23:44 AM

Yeah as much as I believe Trump is a traitor and a Russian agent at this point he's not a Traitor with a capital T.

And we can't go shifting the legal definitions of treachery just for him. Nor can we make speaking an act of treachery. Now if we had evidence of some private correspondence between Trump and GRU then we'd have something to go on.

Oh really when?
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132881: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:29:41 AM

I wouldn't even go so far as assume he's a "Russian Agent". "Useful Idiot" may be more appropriate.

Putin is smart and opportunistic, or as I've heard someone say, "Trump with brains". He's proven an apt manipulator of public opinion in his own country and his quest to "make the bear strong again" includes a willingness to give the US a black eye where it can.

edited 27th Jul '16 10:31:59 AM by Elle

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132882: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:31:47 AM

If there was ever a time I wanted to read Obama's Presidential Daily Brief, now would be it.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#132883: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:32:10 AM

Agent is probably the wrong word. Asset maybe.

Either way he's made his relationship with them clear.

Oh really when?
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#132884: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:35:14 AM

At best, Trump is a Russian plant that the Russian's didn't even know was being a plant but are still quite happy with Mr.Trump anyway. At worst, he's an idjit who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, which just happens to be rather convenient for the still quite happy Russians.

edited 27th Jul '16 10:35:45 AM by kkhohoho

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132885: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:36:25 AM

If any other candidate even insinuated that they wanted Moscow to hack their opponent, their career would be ruined.

Trump is proof of the existence of Teflon based lifeforms.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#132887: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:38:01 AM

LA Times has conducted a new poll that says that Clinton is at 40 percent to Trump s 47 percent.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/27/poll-los-angeles-times-usc-dornsife-trump-47-clinton-40/

edited 27th Jul '16 10:38:55 AM by MadSkillz

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#132888: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:38:20 AM

Could you imagine if Clinton was saying the Russians should sabotage Trump for her? The right would be shrieking their heads off.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132889: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:40:53 AM

And his supporters don't care. The supposedly "real" Americans.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132890: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:42:07 AM

Other sources paint a less dire situation.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/grenier-us-polls-conventions-1.3695620

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#132891: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:43:02 AM

@Mad Skillz

There a reason you're citing Breitbart, a notorious right wing site, rather than the LA Times themselves?

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132892: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:43:40 AM

https://twitter.com/MareikeAden/stat...25768900476928

So...about him not being a plant?

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#132893: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:45:53 AM

[up]"Sorry, that page doesn't exist!"

So what was the page actually supposed to be anyway?

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132894: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:47:12 AM

"Mareike Aden @Mareike Aden I asked @realDonaldTrump:"Would you as president want to recognize #Crimea as Russian, lift sanctions?" - "Yes we would be looking at that""

EDIT: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-crimea-sanctions-russia-226292 Politico Article

edited 27th Jul '16 10:48:05 AM by TacticalFox88

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#132895: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:48:56 AM

I'm hearing some rumblings that pressing charges for 18 U.S. Code § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection may be possible.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132896: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:50:05 AM

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Yeah...there's no way this is by accident.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#132897: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:50:14 AM

And what about people done with college who are still paying off their loans? Are they going to make them null and void, or do we still have to pay them off?

I don't know if there is a way to nullify a huge chunk of existing debts without massive economical repercussions for lenders.

If Obama dies somebody else will probably try to kill Bush 2 to "get even."

Doubtful. The right has more crazy, self-destructive idiots who think America's problems should be solved by guns than the left does.

Donald Trump to Russia: Please Hack Hillary!

Oh sweet Jesus, he's actually trying to commit treason now isn't he?

>.< Oh for f*ck's sake. That has to disqualify him for Presidency, doesn't it?

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#132898: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:52:13 AM

Yep, there is video of Trump defending the murders of Russian journalists because "he leads".

This. Fucking. Election.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#132899: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:52:15 AM

There a reason you're citing Breitbart, a notorious right wing site, rather than the LA Times themselves?

I didn't know that. I found it off reddit.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132900: Jul 27th 2016 at 10:53:44 AM

Fmr. CIA Dir. Panetta on Trump call for Russia HRC hacking: Trump's loyalty to U.S. in question & possible "conspiracy" with a foreign power

Welp. Shit may just get real.

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