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Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#132801: Jul 27th 2016 at 2:39:17 AM

Likewise I find it hard to understand how a person can call themself a progressive but refuses to vote for increased healthcare, an increased minimum wage, increased access to college, increased regulation on the banks and stopping the TPP. I'm a progressive and all that shit sounds great to me.
It's mainly an issue of trust: Cinton has flip-flopped several times on these issues, so people feel that they can't trust her in delivering these promises. There are also signs that she's veering to the centre/right again for the general election.

By who? I don't remember anyone playing the "dangerous revolutionary" card. Not in the mainstream media, and not even in pro-Clinton areas of the Internet like the Daily Banter. Frankly, calling Sanders a revolutionary is a misuse of the word.
The "a political revolution means necessary violent" card was often played by the media, see for instance, Bernie Sanders Preached A Pretty "Revolution" But There's No Such Thing. About why constantly mentioning the Bernie Bros is a bad thing, someone already responded to that. Anyway, I don't want to turn this into a fight of "whose candidate is treated worse by the media", but when the DNC leaks contains actual examples of reporters asking the DNC for advice on negative Bernie stories, you can hardly say that the media was pro-Sanders.

About the 'silenced': I think they are referring to things like this, I don't know the context of it though. Of course, the DNC leaks have also thrown some fuel to it.

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#132802: Jul 27th 2016 at 3:59:44 AM

A random guy on Twitter saying something in not a source.

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#132804: Jul 27th 2016 at 4:23:28 AM

[up]See, that's the problem with US bills. You need to tell us what else is on that bill, coz it could be a declaration of war for all we know.

Also did not realize former POTUS have such large expenses.

edited 27th Jul '16 4:25:04 AM by nightwyrm_zero

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#132806: Jul 27th 2016 at 4:36:28 AM

His veto makes sense to me. This bill seems "simple solution to a complex problem" and not in the good way.

edited 27th Jul '16 4:37:23 AM by 3of4

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Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#132807: Jul 27th 2016 at 4:41:51 AM

[up][up][up][up][up] I didn't mean that these claims were true (probably they aren't, and as I said, I don't know the context), just that they were being posted on the internet and might have been the source of the 'silenced' statement, whether they are true or not.

edited 27th Jul '16 4:43:09 AM by Perian

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#132808: Jul 27th 2016 at 5:04:23 AM

[up][up]So what you mean is that the bill leaves too much open to interpretation?

3of4 Just a harmless giant from a foreign land. from Five Seconds in the Future. Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Just a harmless giant from a foreign land.
#132809: Jul 27th 2016 at 5:11:36 AM

It seems the amount of Money spent on former presidents come from a variety of expenses paid through Government agencies for various reasons:

  • They get an office and staff
  • Travel expenses (former POTUS do a lot of representative stuff, it seems)
  • Secret Service Protection

The bill proposes that instead of having that continue, the former POTUS would just get 200k working expenses a year as budget for everything. Which would, among other things, fuck over a lot of people working for them since there is no transition period.

Its basically like your Provider booting you out of the door, giving you three hundred dollar bills every month and then consider their support done, as opposed as you going to them with a specific reason and asking it to cover it.

edited 27th Jul '16 5:14:41 AM by 3of4

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#132810: Jul 27th 2016 at 5:18:34 AM

Wait that bill would cut the automatic secret service protection? Yeah no wonder it got vetoed, Obama is gonna need the secret service for a long time I suspect.

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#132811: Jul 27th 2016 at 5:19:32 AM

As long as he lives, for sure.

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#132812: Jul 27th 2016 at 5:19:40 AM

I'm guessing this was something proposed by the Republicans as a cost saving measure.

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More like giant cherries
#132813: Jul 27th 2016 at 5:31:03 AM

Also, why is it legal in USA to demonize people publicly on tv? Like whats up with politicians calling each other really over the top bad things? Seriously, don't you guys have laws against defamation?

Freedom of speech is very important in the US.

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#132814: Jul 27th 2016 at 5:32:05 AM

Most "cost saving measures" like that are, in reality, no such thing. You can't control costs of a few million here and there when the budget is trillions. Anything that proposes to cut costs or eliminate government waste that doesn't touch military or entitlement spending is almost certainly a poorly disguised attempt to "starve the beast" (degrade government services by denying them funding) rather than a genuine attempt to balance the budget.

Not that the Republicans have actually cared about a balanced budget in the last 20 years or so (at least).

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#132815: Jul 27th 2016 at 5:35:40 AM

Freedom of speech is very important in the US.
Excessively important, if you ask me. Mind you, I am quite aware that political correctness can be a bad thing too, but that doesn't justify going to the other extreme end of the spectrum.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132816: Jul 27th 2016 at 6:07:40 AM

Cutting the Obamas' security detail has nothing to do with budget worries. Let's face it, plenty of people in the GOP wouldn't care if they got hurt or killed.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#132817: Jul 27th 2016 at 6:15:48 AM

They'd be doing the same thing for both Bushes but I doubt they'd be targeted like Obama.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132818: Jul 27th 2016 at 6:33:23 AM

And I doubt that Bush senior and Carter will around for too much longer anyway. Not that I wish any harm on them, but within the next 4 years it's probable that the government will only be supporting two former Presidents.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
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#132819: Jul 27th 2016 at 6:46:16 AM

If Obama dies somebody else will probably try to kill Bush 2 to "get even."

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#132820: Jul 27th 2016 at 6:59:53 AM

^^ Three: Bill would probably still get his benefits separate from Hillary, although there would be some obvious overlap like the Secret Service detail.

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#132821: Jul 27th 2016 at 7:05:39 AM

On the "there's no such thing as a pretty revolution", that's just ignorant: List of nonviolent revolutions by era

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132822: Jul 27th 2016 at 7:09:50 AM

[up][up]True enough. Bill might even get more protection than a typical presidential spouse. He knows a lot, even if most of it is dated.

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#132823: Jul 27th 2016 at 7:13:34 AM

[up][up]The point was likely that revolutions, regardless of how violent they are or not, are by their very nature disruptive and destabilizing and thus can't be "pretty". That being said that article in particular seemed needlessly alarmist.

edited 27th Jul '16 7:15:33 AM by Mio

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United Earth
#132824: Jul 27th 2016 at 7:13:59 AM

"Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the former POTUS"?

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#132825: Jul 27th 2016 at 7:18:19 AM

Since I don't think I've seen it posted: An evening at the RNC with the worst people on the internet. The Man Who Whines About Being Banned From Twitter, The Rape Advocate etc.

Also, the Anti-Defamation League has officially declared (((echoes))) as a hate symbol.

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