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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#132751: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:27:25 PM

The "I kept asking her to marry me and she finally gave in" story is probably not going down as well as it used to, still it seems to be going down reasonable well.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#132752: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:28:20 PM

[up]It helps that Bill's story is genuinely funny. Especially the part with the house.

More nonsense.

And still more nonsense. "Our voices weren't heard." Your voices were heard. You just didn't convince anyone you were right. That's how this little thing called democracy works.

edited 26th Jul '16 7:36:44 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#132753: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:36:09 PM

Repeating unsolicited advice: Find a better narrative than lesser-evilism. Talk about the unique opportunity to move congress to the left. Hell, start agitating for an anti-citizens united constitutional amendment.

If you want to persuade people to vote for Hillary, talk about Hillary, not Trump, not Bernie.

Ban any word construction that is Bernie-anything from your tongue, because what follows is always an insult. Insults do not persuade people. They simply make them angry and make them dig in. Either the group of people you want to talk about is going to hold their noses and vote your way, or they are not. Insulting them will not magically make them see the error of their ways, so do not do it, and the resulting internal mudslinging also does not look good to the people on your right flank. IE: Undecideds.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#132754: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:37:50 PM

[up]All those things have been said and done. Bill's entire speech boils down to a recitation of her accomplishments.

As for the rest, the diehards are diehards and they get nothing from me.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#132755: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:40:28 PM

That's what Bill is doing right now, it's actually what Bernie himself has been doing.

Personally I still don't think that the anti-Clinton lot should be called Bernie supporters, they've no interest in Bernie or his ideas, they're Green Party members and similar.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#132756: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:42:29 PM

[up]They're members of the Unicorn Brigade. Unfortunately when I use that term, most people don't know what I'm talking about.

Politico is ignoring almost all the speeches and is instead running five or six different articles on "Sanders delegates stage walkout." I think I'm done with them for a while. When there's a dozen reporters for every "protestor" it's a pretty pathetic protest. In fact, I think that might be the thing that annoys me most about the Sanders "protests". There's no effort put into them and yet they get all this attention anyway because of the desire to create a horse race where none existed.

EDIT: Bill's doing pretty good.

edited 26th Jul '16 7:45:22 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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Vampire Hunter
#132757: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:47:40 PM

I think the better thing would be to talk up the many progressive things that Hillary has done in her life up to this moment. Certainly, Michelle, Bernie and Bill as well as the variety of women vouching for Hillary have been better at convincing me that Hillary is the best choice as President than Hillary herself has during the election.

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storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#132758: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:52:34 PM

Um...yeah. They're the ones who threw the election to Bush in 2000.

To be fair, that was back when he was pretending to be "compassionate" and the parties were much, much, much less polarized.

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#132759: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:54:39 PM

I guess it was before the GOP became a shit show.

Is Bush responsible for GOP being a shit show?

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BrainSewage from that one place Since: Jan, 2001
#132760: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:56:26 PM

Aaaaand my Facebook feed is being spammed with Bernie or Bust nonsense, even moreso than usual- which is saying something. It's really aggravating.

I'm not sure if this point has been brought up yet or not, but I think one of the main reasons these people don't want to vote for Hillary is because in their eyes, it represents a surrender to the corporate-sellout candidate system we've had for...well, ever. They're hoping that if people vote third party (or choose not to vote at all), it will send a message to the Democratic Party that they aren't representing the will of the people, and they will be forced to float more progressive candidates or risk losing further elections.

The problems with this logic are obvious. First, holding the Party to ransom like that is a long shot, especially when most people may well forget about all this by next year. But more importantly, the numbers just don't add up. Hillary won the primary by a wide margin, so obviously, she does represent the will of the people. The Bernie crowd, while quite large, never had the manpower in the first place, so what chance do they have to make any kind of statement at this point?

These are people who are angry for a lot of legitimate reasons (hell, I voted for Bernie in the primaries), but who can't face facts and realize that you can't have everything.

Edit: [up] No, they started down that road when they adopted the Southern Strategy in the 60s and started appealing to poor, uneducated, religious, racist whites.

edited 26th Jul '16 7:58:16 PM by BrainSewage

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#132761: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:57:28 PM

[up][up]I'd say that neo-cons and paleo-cons are very far removed from the Tea Party et al.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#132762: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:00:26 PM

The DNC's new Platform.

Here are the highlights:

  • $15-an-hour minimum wage.

  • A specific expansion of the Earned income tax credit (EITC) to "low wage workers who don’t have children and to workers age 21 and older."

  • Marijuana legalization: The platform called for a "reasoned pathway to future legalization" of marijuana

  • Federal reserve reform: The new platform says the party will fight against allowing bank executives to sit on Federal Reserve boards.

  • Eradication of the death penalty.

  • Carbon pricing.

  • Bernie Sanders and his allies failed to get the DNC to outright condemn the TPP and Fracking in their new platform.

Rep. Debbie Schultz: The Democratic Party has adopted the strongest pro-Israel platform in the party’s history.

“We will continue to work toward a two-state solution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict negotiated directly by the parties that guarantees Israel’s future as a secure and democratic Jewish state with recognized borders and provides the Palestinians with independence, sovereignty, and dignity,” the platform reads. “Israelis deserve security, recognition, and a normal life free from terror and incitement. Palestinians should be free to govern themselves in their own viable state, in peace and dignity.”

It should be noted that just like the RNC's platform, the DNC's platform is non-binding.

edited 26th Jul '16 8:16:12 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132763: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:01:19 PM

[up]x4The Tea Party started most of the current shit show though you could argue the cracks they forced open were there for a while before..

edited 26th Jul '16 8:01:48 PM by Elle

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#132764: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:02:12 PM

Honestly, I think Fox News and the radical right are responsible for the GOP being a shitshow. The Tea Party has primaried reasonable Republicans in Congress to death, and now the crazies are running the party. And I think it's because Fox News convinced them that their country had been taken away from them by a Kenyan Muslim socialist and that any willingness to compromise with the opposing party is a sign of weakness or surrender to an enemy.

edited 26th Jul '16 8:03:11 PM by Lennik

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#132765: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:03:51 PM

[up][up][up]I love the domestic platform. Though given Israel's current hard right government I can't really imagine that supporting a two state solution is pro Israel anymore.

We'll have to see how it pans out.

edited 26th Jul '16 8:05:17 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#132766: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:06:41 PM

With the proposed increase in minimum wage I'm wondering if we'll ever see a rebalancing of the federal poverty level. Right now it's at $11,000 per year for individuals which isn't even enough to survive on in the cheapest states unless you're not paying for shelter, and with it so low it means you have to practically be homeless and jobless to see any medicaid in non-expansion states.

edited 26th Jul '16 8:07:27 PM by carbon-mantis

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132767: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:17:46 PM

From that article, notable things Sanders didn't get on the platform: TPP opposition (awkward because it's Obama's project) and anti-fracking (though the state governments have been holding the line on that as far as I know.)

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132768: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:18:40 PM

And let me guess, to the diehards this solid deal isn't enough...

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#132769: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:19:21 PM

[up][up]His college tuition plan wasn't added was it?

edited 26th Jul '16 8:19:31 PM by Kostya

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#132770: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:20:50 PM

So have the Dems said anything about student loans? Because that's what I'm most concerned about here. (Selfish, I know, but what you gonna' do?tongue)

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#132771: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:22:32 PM

I think Hillary said she'd support it but it doesn't look like it was added to the actual platform.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#132772: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:26:27 PM

Clinton met him halfway on college tuition. She's prepared to make it free for people whose families make under 100 000 a year.

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#132773: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:26:34 PM

Hillary won the primary by a wide margin, so obviously, she does represent the will of the people. The Bernie crowd, while quite large, never had the manpower in the first place, so what chance do they have to make any kind of statement at this point?

Inside the Bernie Filter Bubble, Hillary supporters don't actually exist. She only won because the election was rigged.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#132774: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:28:08 PM

Supposedly there was some suspicious exit polling stuff in at least one primary. It could just be people reaching for something to confirm their biases though.

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#132775: Jul 26th 2016 at 8:36:11 PM

[up][up][up] To expand on that.

On education, Democrats committed to tuition-free education at in-state public colleges and universities for all those making under $125,000 a year. Sanders praised the Clinton shift as a “very bold initiative,” even if it didn’t embrace his call for making college free for all.[1][2]

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.

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