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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#132701: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:29:49 PM

This country was also founded on slavery and genocide. That doesn't mean we shod emulate them.

flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#132703: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:32:07 PM

Yes,but that was then,this is now

Also,you were breaking away from another country and ruling yourselfs,your talking about overthowing an existing government to replace with mob rule basically

edited 26th Jul '16 12:32:21 PM by Ultimatum

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#132704: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:33:22 PM

What I am calling for clearly wouldn't be a revolution in the sense that anyone else here seems defines it. What I would like to see is something along the lines of the labor movement or civil rights movement, which, despite fierce resistance by those in power, eventually forced the powerful to make significant concessions to economic and social justice respectively.

edited 26th Jul '16 12:34:58 PM by CaptainCapsase

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#132705: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:33:39 PM

[up][up]Yeah, the Tunisians had such a fucking awful time. The Portuguese, too. And those who went through the Colored Revolutions in Eastern Europe.

The general thinking seems to be that it Clinton starts a war or something they'll be responsible for it because they voted her in. What they don't seem to get is that by not voting for her they'd also be responsible for anything Trump does.

It's a Trolley problem, and they're Kantian.

edited 26th Jul '16 12:34:59 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#132706: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:34:57 PM

@ Captain- I have a problem with your evoking those movements and speaking of revolutions to excuse assholeish behavior. Both because those Bernie people at least claim to want a seat at the table (some are even delegates). And more importantly they seem to most often be assholeish against people who are/were members (sometimes leaders) of the civil rights and other movements

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#132707: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:35:57 PM

[up] Can you clarify and provide an example of that?

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#132708: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:39:47 PM

Oh, and regarding the "Bernie Or Bust" thing, a Cracked article actually talked to a number of people at the convention that don't fit the "Bernie Bro" mode, including one really depressing interview with an injured Marine veteran (injury wasn't service-related) living on disability who's to the point that he's had to resort to squirrel-hunting in order to keep his kids from starving once the monthly food-stamps run out. As the article points out, it's less that people hate Clinton and more that they saw Sanders as someone actually speaking for their needs, rather than "business as usual".

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#132709: Jul 26th 2016 at 1:04:00 PM

Thing is Sanders hasn't stopped speaking for them, you can see that with his little of script "no TPP during the lame duck session" bit.

I find it hard to understand how a person can call themselves a supporter of a political figure when disagreeing with that figure on something so fundemental as who to vote for for president.

Likewise I find it hard to understand how a person can call themself a progressive but refuses to vote for increased healthcare, an increased minimum wage, increased access to college, increased regulation on the banks and stopping the TPP. I'm a progressive and all that shit sounds great to me.

I personally suspect that the Bernie Or Bust people were never actually Bernie supporters, they never believed in him, they either believed in a fictional Bernie that they'd created or they more likely were always simply voting for whoever they could to try and stop Clinton, they were never pro-Bernie, just anti-Clinton.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
GameGuruGG Vampire Hunter from Castlevania (Before Recorded History)
Vampire Hunter
#132710: Jul 26th 2016 at 1:10:43 PM

[up][up] It is hard for people to support the system when the system has so utterly failed them like with our injured Marine veteran in that article.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#132711: Jul 26th 2016 at 1:21:40 PM

[up][up]Loving a Shadow?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#132712: Jul 26th 2016 at 2:00:05 PM

The Internet left, Progressive Unicorn Brigade, emogressives, whatever you want to call them, do this in every election cycle. They find a candidate, they fall in love with him (or her), they declare them to be the messiah, and then pitch a fit when they don't get what they wanted. It's never about the actual candidate.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#132713: Jul 26th 2016 at 2:05:40 PM

[up][up]It's definitely Loving a Shadow, and it's happening on both the extreme left and the extreme right. The people that aren't racist and sexist that support Trump are mostly only doing so because they think he's anti-establishment.

Also, part of the issue I think with people seeing Clinton as evil is they see Bill Clinton as evil for one or more reasons and they can't look at her without seeing her through his lens. Unfortunately with how she's blundering these scandals (real and fake) she's not likely to shrug that off.

edited 26th Jul '16 2:06:21 PM by PhiSat

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Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#132714: Jul 26th 2016 at 2:34:56 PM

So we've got the Dem roll call now, so far they seem to be going "For Sanders who we love and who has done so much good we cast X votes, and for Hillary Clinton who will be the next president of the United States we cast Y votes".

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132716: Jul 26th 2016 at 3:04:53 PM

Again, no reason to panic yet and she'll hopefully get a convention bump. There's also a long campaign ahead, including the debates, and Clinton still has a massive edge from her ground campaign.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#132717: Jul 26th 2016 at 3:07:14 PM

Looks like there is at least one group not boycotting North Carolina right now.

The British government.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#132718: Jul 26th 2016 at 3:24:15 PM

And yet we still have a travel warning out for the state. Right hand left hand syndrome I suspect.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#132719: Jul 26th 2016 at 3:31:17 PM

[up]Potentially. It could also be a sort of weird self-interest. They'd want to warn their own citizens wanting to travel into it, but aren't above profiting off of North Carolina.

Leviticus 19:34
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#132720: Jul 26th 2016 at 3:32:46 PM

Part of me wants/needs investments in this state because we are fucking dying but part of me wants to watch Mc Cory starve.

Oh really when?
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#132721: Jul 26th 2016 at 3:44:18 PM

Vermont just passed, was the planned?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132722: Jul 26th 2016 at 3:45:22 PM

Clinton is officially the Democratic Party nominee for POTUS.

edited 26th Jul '16 3:45:37 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132723: Jul 26th 2016 at 3:47:44 PM

[up][up]They're giving the final announcement to Bernie. (Hillary did the same for Obama in 2008.)

So far haven't heard of any controversy.

edited 26th Jul '16 3:48:03 PM by Elle

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#132724: Jul 26th 2016 at 3:48:12 PM

She wasn't already? They called her that several times last night.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132725: Jul 26th 2016 at 3:51:26 PM

The roll call vote on the convention floor is basically the (now-ceremonial in the age of the primary system) process that makes it official.

Edit: Well not completely ceremonial because supersaturates are a thing but mostly. The result is usually a Foregone Conclusion well before the floor vote.

edited 26th Jul '16 4:01:58 PM by Elle


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