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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#132551: Jul 25th 2016 at 10:45:14 PM

[up][up][up][up] Ekuran! Man, I've missed seeing your avvie around here. smile

So who has spoken so far at the DNC, and how did they do? Yahoo News mentioned Mrs. Obama making a "soaring, powerful speech" in which she also made "scathing reference to Trump tweets", and now there's an article about Sanders proclaiming that he's "proud to stand with her [Clinton]".

edited 25th Jul '16 10:45:23 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#132552: Jul 25th 2016 at 10:49:55 PM

Well at least let me try to "mansplain" my way out of it before you render your judgment.

Not really helping your case there. You took a sexist shot at the First Lady for daring to acknowledge that the home she currently lives in was built by slaves—something that would reasonably be on the mind of the first African-American woman to live in that house. Now you're following it up with this. To invoke a cliche, perhaps you should quit while you are ahead.

[up]Cory Booker, Michelle Obama, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders all spoke and performed well. There were also addresses from a disability activist, the daughter of a pair of undocumented workers, and one of the Trump University scam victims. Overall it was a good first night for the DNC.

edited 25th Jul '16 10:51:03 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

nervmeister Since: Oct, 2010
#132553: Jul 25th 2016 at 10:50:10 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]If you dont like what I have to say, then we can check the rules of this thread, and if they say Im being out of line, then I'll stop "digging" as you put it.

edited 25th Jul '16 10:50:41 PM by nervmeister

golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#132554: Jul 25th 2016 at 10:52:04 PM

There's a good, relatively unspoken, rule we all have. It's called "don't be a dick." This includes being sexist in any way or trying to pick fights with others.

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#132556: Jul 25th 2016 at 10:58:32 PM

I haven't read/heard the full speech but:

It's true that Michelle Obama is in an economically and politically privileged position compared to a lot of african-americans, but I don't necessarily think that detracts from her observation too much. Let's not split hairs about how disadvantaged you have to be within your group to talk about your group's problems.

edited 25th Jul '16 11:00:12 PM by wehrmacht

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#132557: Jul 25th 2016 at 11:01:53 PM

Considering you didn't even bother to try explaining yourself in that second post, yeah, it seems like you're trying to pick a fight. Also, you're not even actually saying anything at all. You just threw out an insult without addressing anything in the speech or anything that the rest of us were typing about. There's not much to dislike because there's not much substance coming out of you right now.

In any case, acknowledging the ugly history of this country isn't ignoring the privilege she enjoys now. And having said privilege doesn't make acknowledging such history hypocritical, or any less a valid point, as her speech seemed to be at least partly about "we can't go backwards". Your commentary, nervmeister, was just trying to deflect away from her point and declare her point invalid simply because she and her husband are currently successful. That's some sort of logical fallacy, I'm sure, and is not an effective way to address or disprove her point.

[up]It's a pretty common tactic for folks to say "well, you're fine and dandy so you don't actually have any right to talk about/ leg to stand on in this debate." It brings the qualifications of the speaker into the conversation, rather than the content itself. I think it's also the fallacy of relative privation. And it tends to get directed at anyone who tries to speak about oppression and related topics.

edited 25th Jul '16 11:05:38 PM by AceofSpades

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132558: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:11:05 AM

I knew TYT would be salty, but trashing Michelle's speech? Still thinking Hillary's not sincere? Come the fuck on.

edited 26th Jul '16 12:17:31 AM by TacticalFox88

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#132559: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:26:20 AM

Why is TYT trashing Michelle's speech, of all things?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#132560: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:29:41 AM

What did they have to say about Sanders himself?

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#132562: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:36:58 AM

It's The Young Turks; currently a youtube news channel run by Cenk Ugyur. They very much have a left wing bias. To the point of not considering Obama progressive enough.

edited 26th Jul '16 12:37:45 AM by AceofSpades

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#132563: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:38:49 AM

Eh, they're hardly alone on that last point.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132564: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:52:55 AM

And they can't stop sucking Bernie off.

"He's been fighting for us, how could they not see it?!"

"I don't get Hillary supporters who don't like him..."

and from Jimmy

"Everyone who got on stage today was a sellout..." (Paraphrasing here)

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#132565: Jul 26th 2016 at 12:54:21 AM

Why torture yourself by listening to them? I unsubscribed to them when I realized they rarely had anything of value to say.

Superdark33 The dark Mage of the playground from Playgrounds and Adventures Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
The dark Mage of the playground
#132566: Jul 26th 2016 at 1:13:01 AM

[up] because it feeds into the "BERNIE OR BUSTERS WILL RUIN THIS ELECTION FEAR WE ARE SMARTER THAN THEM" mentality.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132567: Jul 26th 2016 at 1:24:24 AM

Honestly, I keep watching on see how they'll spin things and if/when they'll admit they were wrong about Clinton.

...

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#132568: Jul 26th 2016 at 4:48:12 AM

The narrative so far makes it really look like it will lead to a Trump victory.

He keeps making insanely stupid declarations, yet seems to be immune to consequences. Meanwhile, while Hillary is doing a very decent campaign, all that comes out of it is that she somehow is rotten and corrupt.

4 months to go, sure, but the Democrats ought to be worried right now. It's like people realized that reality had a liberal bias, and decided to screw the facts - and by doing so, screw reality.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#132569: Jul 26th 2016 at 6:11:21 AM

cracked actually just put up an article that sort of explains how he gets away with it. Ignore the shite title.

So was the political appointments thing all that wikileaks had on the DNC?

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#132570: Jul 26th 2016 at 6:13:47 AM

It seems like it. If they really wanted to antagonize people they should release the bad stuff before the convention gets under way.

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#132571: Jul 26th 2016 at 6:41:54 AM

Honestly it feels more and more like wikileaks is entering a Former Child Star phase after the diplomatic cables leaking 5 years back.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#132572: Jul 26th 2016 at 6:55:33 AM

In an era of significant whistleblowers, their lack of relevancy means that they have to become Attention Whores so people keep talking about them.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#132573: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:02:04 AM

Wikileaks is sort of like an autoimmune disorder. Notionally established to protect society from tyranny in the guise of government secrecy, it went crazy and started attacking governments over everything, no matter how trivial. In particular, Assange seems to have a massive hate boner for the U.S., as I suppose he hasn't forgiven us for attempting to prosecute him for raping children. My crocodile tears burst forth in copious quantities.

What I don't quite get is why he's so damn mad at Democrats in particular, but that part of the alt-left has never made sense to me.

edited 26th Jul '16 7:02:52 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#132574: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:02:22 AM

[up][up][up]Wow, that was five years ago? I kept waiting for the important reveals, but all we got in the press was stupid gossip. It's kind of the same deal this time.

Now, the Panama Papers, those were excellent leaks. Who did those? EDIT: A "John Doe" with Southgerman Times and the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists. Outstanding work, let's be honest.

edited 26th Jul '16 7:10:52 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#132575: Jul 26th 2016 at 7:09:07 AM

[up]An anonymous leaker at Mossack Fonseca handed the Suddesutche Zeitung 2.6 terabytes of data. The journalists there realised they couldn't possibly handle all of that alone, so they roped in the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists to help them go through it. It still took them a year.

Basically, how it used to be done.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

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