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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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You left out an important part of that story.
Five Thirty Eight has Clinton besting Trump this November in two other prediction samples, however.
It has Clinton’s odds at 53.7 percent, to Trump’s 46.2 percent, when it discounts polls taken immediately after last week's Republican National Convention.
Clinton’s odds rise to 58.2 percent to Trump’s 41.7 percent when factoring in economic and historical data.
edited 25th Jul '16 3:02:30 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
This is the 7% of his voters who threatened to defect to Trump. The DNC leaks certainly haven't helped matters, and supposedly there's going to be more coming each and every day of the convention.
It feels as if mass media is already setting up the narrative for November that "Bernie Sanders's supporters lost it for Clinton". Even with the leaks, it is still Clinton's race to lose.
edited 25th Jul '16 3:12:37 PM by CaptainCapsase
Sanders supporters speaking truth to power
(Sarcasm Mode, obviously)
And I'd say conversely, you are setting up the narrative that it is 100% Clinton's fault (and that she will lose).
I don't blame Sanders as much as his supporters, but I do blame him for pushing the idea that he could win far longer than it was at all possible- and at the same time, he implicitly pushed the idea that the only way he could lose is if the race was rigged. Now the Wikileaks have obviously not helped with this, but it's the reason why the Sanders people instinctively hate everyone who supports Clinton, even Civil Rights Movement heroes- because (thanks to Sanders) they think those people stole an election from them.
edited 25th Jul '16 3:16:37 PM by Hodor2
Sanders can't really stop a train that's going off the rails.
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Well honestly I think that with that subset, almost all of them just eventually supported Obama. I think the subset that had racist reasons for opposing Obama just became Republicans.
But I think the difference is that despite their differences, Clinton and Obama and their supporters were invested in the Party and wanted a seat at the table. Sanders supporters aren't as much- the ones at the Convention want to flip the table (and maybe piss on it and set it on fire).
I guess my tl; dr is that I don't want to blame all Sanders supporters, since the far, far majority of them are voting for Clinton. And while you intend to also, it does seem that the bad behavior is tied into the political views you are expressing.
edited 25th Jul '16 3:29:16 PM by Hodor2
Without a revolution brewing in the background, it's very rare for reform to happen except when it suits the needs of the poweerful. It's as simple as that. Thousands died in the civil rights movement, tens of thousands in the abolition movement, and uncoutable thousands in the labor movement.
It's unfortunate that things reached this point, but the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of those who refused to heed the lessons of history.
edited 25th Jul '16 3:29:44 PM by CaptainCapsase
Indeed. But the blame for that falls squarely on the system that brought us to this point. More to the point, despite what news articles are acting like, this is an extremely small vocal minority. Most of us realize that, despite our issues with Clinton, now isn't the time to act.
edited 25th Jul '16 3:31:34 PM by CaptainCapsase
If you care to be so narrow minded as to ignore the wider sociological context in which this is happening sure. Go ahead. All of this has happened before, and if we once again ignore the lessons of the past, it'll all happen again assuming the human species survives the next round of global conflict.
