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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Do we though? Clinton has to realize the popular perception of trade deals is extremely negative for better or worse. If he GOP retains its anti-trade deal position, they'll crush the democrats in 2020 if the TPP gets passed in spite of all the opposition.
edited 25th Jul '16 11:36:34 AM by CaptainCapsase
Opposition to trade deals is just a part of the anti-globalism sentiment that's sweeping the world because of the abject failure of governments to properly handle wealth inequalty. They've become the default scapegoat.
edited 25th Jul '16 11:34:08 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Besides, hasn't both Hillary and Kaine come out against the TTP at this point anyway? Or are people still assuming that she's going to bait and switch everyone and enact it as soon as she's in office despite saying otherwise on the campaign trail?
edited 25th Jul '16 11:36:01 AM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.TPP is a bad deal, but not because of its effects on trade, which would be minimal. It's badly mislabeled in that regard. Its main effects will be on wealth mobility (the ability for individuals and businesses to shift their money around to dodge taxes) and intellectual property law. Now, the Internet is up in arms about the latter, and for good reason, but in terms of direct economic effects, it's basically nil.
"Hillary is a dirty liar" and all that.
edited 25th Jul '16 11:37:32 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Fighteer: And it's not going away until that gets addressed. Then there's the IP provisions. After failing to pass PIPA for the fifth(?) time it gets hidden in a trade deal. Real smooth.
@smokey: The odds of an economic breakdown in the next president's terms are fairly high; as long as the GOP retains the house congress is going to get next to nothing done, and that means it's only a matter of time before the next meltdown. What the GOP puts forward then might very well be worse than Trump: someone every bit as vile with the competency to actually put their hateful words into action. All I'm saying is if Clinton goes back on her word here, the democrats will have serious problems in 2020.
edited 25th Jul '16 11:43:49 AM by CaptainCapsase
On the note of Trump as President, Trump's camp apparently approached John Kasich with the VP offer
, allegedly saying that Kasich could be "in charge of all domestic and foreign policy in a Trump White House", while Trump would focus on making American Great Again.
Trump's denied it, naturally, but I can't help but think that he could easily do that sort of stunt.
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"![]()
We discussed this previously. Trump has, on several occasions, expressed his disdain for the "details" of running the nation, preferring instead to sit atop it all and issue vague instructions like an orchestra conductor.
edited 25th Jul '16 11:43:50 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Right. The hypothetical disruption of the DNC is being orchestrated by the most extreme of the sore losers.
edited 25th Jul '16 11:52:59 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"edited 25th Jul '16 11:57:17 AM by nervmeister
@Fighter: Anti-globalisim (plus anti-corporateism) has been part of the fringe left for a long time and some of it shows up in Bernie's rhetoric. Their protesters are a regular feature outside WTO summits. Having it spring up on the right is a fairly recent development though...I think.
edited 25th Jul '16 11:56:39 AM by Elle
Nah, the far right's all about nationality politics, so of course they also despise globalism. It's the horseshoe effect.
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At the risk of sounding rude, but do you think you're saying something new? Your point has been made (and keeps being made) over and over again, and it never really has much substance behind it.
There's never any proof that she's been especially influenced by her "corporate backers" it's just an assumption that gets parroted over and over again.
So it was.
edited 25th Jul '16 12:14:42 PM by LSBK

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The damned queen and the relentless knight.