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#132226: Jul 25th 2016 at 7:45:35 AM

[up][up][up] And create a self-fulfilling panic? Well, I suppose you'd be getting out ahead of the markets, but really, if Trump decides to renege on U.S. debt, the dollar will crash in value whether it's in stocks or under your mattress. However, that crash will largely impact our foreign trade, not necessarily our domestic economy... at least at first. I suppose it's possible he might engineer a second Great Depression, but we survived that as a nation, and we'll survive him too.

[up][up] Oi. Stop it. Not helping.

edited 25th Jul '16 7:46:22 AM by Fighteer

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132227: Jul 25th 2016 at 7:46:52 AM

An emergency fund is sound financial planing in any case. I wouldn't go full apocalypse prepper yet.

[up]Not sure there's a currency that's any safer at the moment. The pound is still in the dump as far as I know, the Euro might be on shaky ground, China's got the looming worry of being due for a recession and a lot of other stuff is tied to USD. (Is Canada?)

edited 25th Jul '16 7:51:35 AM by Elle

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#132228: Jul 25th 2016 at 7:51:34 AM

Stockpile Rubles since apparently Trump is gonna give Putin the keys to the West.

Or vote Democrat, either or.

Oh really when?
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#132229: Jul 25th 2016 at 7:52:26 AM

[up][up]The Canadian dollar is not tied to the USD directly, but since the countries are so entwined economically, it's hard to say that it wouldn't be impacted. You're right that the dollar is still the soundest currency out there, but if Trump actually succeeds in doing what he has said he will...

[up][lol]

edited 25th Jul '16 7:52:49 AM by Fighteer

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#132230: Jul 25th 2016 at 7:53:27 AM

[up][up][up] It's never bad to keep emergency supplies around in case of a natural disaster. Especially if you live in a place prone to such occurrences.

edited 25th Jul '16 7:54:41 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#132231: Jul 25th 2016 at 7:57:52 AM

Actually joking aside I wonder if it would be worth it to start stockpiling Russian currency and investments in case of a hypothetical Trump victory. A lot of their problems are gonna disappear and they'll be able to move through Eastern Europe and the Pacific without too much issue.

Maybe this is a good question for the economics thread.

Oh really when?
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132232: Jul 25th 2016 at 7:57:52 AM

That's one significant advantage I have right now; I live in a rural enough area that any internal unrest would be happening some way away.

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#132233: Jul 25th 2016 at 7:58:53 AM

[up][up] That's stupid. Trump making nice with Putin wouldn't do anything to fix the fundamental problems with Russia's economy and government.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#132234: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:00:22 AM

A lot of their problems have little to do with fundamentals (for now) and more to do with sanctions, which would disappear in a Trump victory.

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#132235: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:01:52 AM

And a lot of doors are gonna open for them without NATO standing in their way. Then their only real competition is gonna be China for control of Southeast Asia. And I've got doubts the Chinese will last long if the Russians properly put the screws to them.

Oh really when?
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#132236: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:02:10 AM

Russia is a crony capitalism built on organized crime and a top-heavy military police state. Large parts of it are still Third World. Trump would just pile more cards atop the flimsy house it's building.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#132237: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:09:11 AM

Fighteer, one contention I want to make is the "we'll survive him, too."

Quite honestly? Not all of us would. The necessary services and aid we'd lose, nevermind the next natural disaster that could hit or Trump's inevitable military disasters... The Republicans winning means the worsening, and in some cases direct cessation, of lives.

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#132238: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:10:01 AM

Honestly, I'm more worried about a Trump presidency being relatively uneventful and prosperous than the end of days. The latter scenario is just barely within the realm of possibility if even that; he'd have to work extremely hard to outdo Bush in terms of general incompetence and policy disasters, something which I say less as credit to Trump and more intended to highlight just how bad the Bush/Cheney administration was.

Now the former scenario: if the right people end up positioning themselves as Grand Vizer and he has good luck with the economy, a reasonably uneventful Trump presidency would legitimize the sort of madness that he preaches, and pave the way for someone far more competent but no less vile than Trump appears to be.

edited 25th Jul '16 8:12:49 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#132239: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:10:42 AM

Well, another day, yet another shooting, this time at a Miami club that was hosting a teen event. 2 dead, over a dozen injured.

This part jumped out at me, though - The club said there was "armed security" at the event for children between the ages of 12 and 17, adding there "was nothing more we could have done." - so I wonder how the Guns' Rights crowd is going to spin that one? It wasn't exactly a "gun-free zone", and the people inside the club are, generally speaking, not expected to be packing heat.

[down]

Except the club-goers were 12-17 year olds, and alcohol wasn't permitted - it's due to their age on this one, not the presence of booze. And you'd be surprised what some proponents would say regarding that, sadly.

edited 25th Jul '16 8:14:52 AM by ironballs16

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#132240: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:11:36 AM

[up][up][up] Look, I won't pretend that it won't be hell for a lot of people, but if we are so deluded as a nation to vote Trump into power, then we kind of have it coming. I'm going to do everything I can to stop him, but quite frankly, if we're going to do so, we need to stop (a) the fatalism, (b) the insistence on painting Hillary Clinton as "only slightly better".

[up] Even the most nutty of Second Amendment people conceded that allowing firearms inside a club where people are drinking heavily would be a stupid idea.

edited 25th Jul '16 8:12:13 AM by Fighteer

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#132241: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:13:54 AM

Fighteer: Well, I completely agree with all of that. But changing this conversation is hard when so many card-carrying liberals are so ridiculously pessimistic on her and happily repeat years of GOP smears.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#132242: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:47:21 AM

Were people so annoyingly and persistently pessimistic in 2012? I get the feeling it was a similar vibe, from other places but I wasn't here especially. It does seem pretty unwarranted at this stage, though.

Seriously, if you're going panic because he's not guaranteed to lose or, *gasp* might actually get a lead for a split second maybe you shouldn't follow this stuff. I doubt this is very out of the ordinary.

edited 25th Jul '16 8:47:50 AM by LSBK

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#132243: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:49:53 AM

Trump's candidacy is abnormal; there can be no mistake about that. It's not the end of the world, necessarily, but it does mark a turning point for the modern GOP.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#132244: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:56:33 AM

Yeah, but is this u and down particularly abnormal? I mean, I get wishing it wasn't the case, but that doesn't spell doom for us all.

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#132245: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:57:12 AM

Eh, if Trump is serious about the NATO thing it might.

Oh really when?
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#132246: Jul 25th 2016 at 8:58:20 AM

[up][up][up][up] There is certainly a difference between Romney as a Presidential candidate and Trump as a Presidential candidate. Trump is more in the mold of the European Far Right (AKA Anti-Globalization, Anti-Immigration, Anti-Muslim) than Romney was in 2012, for one thing.

edited 25th Jul '16 9:14:34 AM by GameGuruGG

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132247: Jul 25th 2016 at 9:09:01 AM

Romney at worst would have been another Bush, no? Not good but hardly apocalyptic?

(And yeah there were people who invoked Godwin on Bush but that was still the fringe.)

On top of everything else, Trump pushing the isolationisim, anti-globalisim, etc, flies in the face of every pro-business stance that the GOP has taken on for the last few decades. At least a few Republican-leaning commentators have opined that the Republican Party as they knew it died with Trump's acceptance speech.

edited 25th Jul '16 9:11:56 AM by Elle

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#132248: Jul 25th 2016 at 9:13:39 AM

Yeah. Trump isn't a tenth what Bush and Romney are. He really is a disgrace.

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#132249: Jul 25th 2016 at 9:14:43 AM

Money isn't everything, Trump doesn't need to spend much money because everyone else already does his 'promoting' for him.

This is true. Trump's the superstar of this race. He can count on the fact that any time he opens his mouth, every media outlet will eagerly race over to regurgitate whatever fresh bile spills out of it.

He doesn't need to spend a dime selling his views to America because they're extreme enough that we are more than happy to do it for him.

Even the most nutty of Second Amendment people conceded that allowing firearms inside a club where people are drinking heavily would be a stupid idea.

Yeah. When Trump said that the Orlando shooting wouldn't have happened if the patrons had been armed, even the NRA were like, "He, uh, he doesn't speak for us. We're not with him. Honestly, I've never met the guy before today! He just showed up and started talking crazy talk, please pay him no mind."

Which may become the typical GOP party line if Trump wins the Presidency.

edited 25th Jul '16 9:16:54 AM by TobiasDrake

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#132250: Jul 25th 2016 at 9:20:08 AM

Trump certainly owes a great deal of his success to No Such Thing as Bad Publicity. Even if you're insulting him, at least you're still talking about him.

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