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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#132151: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:11:35 PM

You don't think Millennials viewing the Democrats as untrustworthy is a problem? That's what this will lead to whether or not you feel it's justified.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132152: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:12:26 PM

Again, the DNC and RNC are supposed to represent the party as a whole and be the steering committee for platform and strategy. Think of it more like office politics where obstinately you're all working torward the same thing, but Alice is more interested in her promotion than anything else, Boss Bob is giving people he likes special perks if they'll back his agenda and Carol just wants stuff to get done and fights with the management over the fact she's not getting enough funding while Alice and Bob complain that she's disruptive..

(This Alice and Bob example not meant to correlate with actual people in this case.)

edited 24th Jul '16 9:16:16 PM by Elle

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#132153: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:13:57 PM

I disagree with the notion that any one demographic (that I also happen to belong to) should have their hang ups unjustly catered to for fear of revolt. That's part of the reason Trump is happening. Part of these trust issues are on them.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:14:53 PM by LSBK

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#132154: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:14:05 PM

I can understand not seeing this as a big deal.

What I can't sympathize with is not seeing it as dishonest.

That's right, boys. Mondo cool.
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#132155: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:14:34 PM

[up][up][up]Internal party politics are a thing. Underhanded politics are a thing. If you're too idealistic to see where that can lead you and to know what you can do to handle them while keeping on to most of your ideals, you are not going to last long.

I expect better of my fellow millenials.

[up]What does it change if it were dishonest to a level beyond what it currently is? If it were any other candidate, would the same angle of attack have been used?

edited 24th Jul '16 9:16:13 PM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#132156: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:15:28 PM

[up][up]And who said it wasn't dishonest?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#132157: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:16:15 PM

If they're gonna throw the election to Trump over that sorta bullshit then they're not the sort of people we want to pander to in the first place. Just like Trump's supporters they're a demographic to be ignored or crushed.

Forgive me if that sounds undemocratic but we can't afford to have those sort of idiots holding power.

Not when all of NATO and the very livelihood of the West itself is hanging in the balance.

Oh really when?
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#132158: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:18:37 PM

[up] As Moore said, the problem isn't young voters not voting for Clinton. It's young voters not dragging all of their friends along with them to vote, which is what happened with Obama and with Sanders during the primaries and during the 2008 general election.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:19:20 PM by CaptainCapsase

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132159: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:20:11 PM

[up][up][up][up]All I'm trying to do is respond to the "Isn't that what they were supposed to be doing" question.

And lets be clear, I have not been an active voter in the past but I plan to vote for Hillary even though I don't particularly like her because I'm not blind to the alternative.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:20:51 PM by Elle

majoraoftime (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#132160: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:21:44 PM

Not when all of NATO and the very livelihood of the West itself is hanging in the balance.

Yeah, nato's cool and all but when I think about being crushed into the Latvian mud by a BTR I kinda lose my enthusiasm.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#132161: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:27:04 PM

Also, stop painting all Sanders supporters as Bernie or Bust types because that's been debunked multiple times; the *majority* will be switching their votes to Clinton. But it does still send a message to the Dems as a whole that there is a sizable base that wants more leftist policies and are have misgivings about the establishment and they ignore that at their peril because if they're not dumb, they'll look at what the Tea Party did to the GOP and be thinking "how do we not have that happen to us?" Maybe not this election cycle, but 2, 4, or even 10, 15 years down the line.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:28:48 PM by Elle

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132162: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:30:45 PM

[up][up]And a strong NATO backed up by the US is the best way to prevent WW3 starting in the Baltics. If the US pulls out and the Russians get ambitious, the worse case scenario is someone in London, Paris or Moscow panicking and nuking something.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132164: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:40:37 PM

So, apparently there are tens of thousands of anti-Clinton supporters massing for the convention. And the resignation of DWS has only emboldened them. Some of them are Green Party quacks and others are convinced that Sanders truly won the primary. I guess the weed protestors are ok though.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/politics/democratic-convention-protests-philadelphia/index.html?sr=fbpol072416democratic-convention-protests-philadelphia0231PMStoryLink&linkId=26878705

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Artificius from about a foot and a half away from a monitor. Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Norwegian Wood
#132166: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:47:18 PM

This one's got me more worried. http://usuncut.com/politics/wikileaks-could-ruin-hillary-clinton/

"I have no fear, for fear is the little death that kills me over and over. Without fear, I die but once."
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#132167: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:50:52 PM

So, sort of off topic, but cousin went on a date tonight, and while it went well, he basically said something along the lines

"You know...I know it's supposed to be forbidden and all, but, I will discuss religion on a first date or with someone I just met 10000x before I'll even drop a HINT of politics in this environment."

And you know what? I kind of agree with him. I don't even like discussing politics with people whom I've known for decades.

New Survey coming this weekend!
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#132168: Jul 24th 2016 at 11:22:13 PM

The only person who I like discussing politics in person is my mom. Despite her being a person who fully believes Obama is foreign born, she does end up listening to me if the subject is ever brought up, despite my lack of elegance when it comes to debating.

There was also one customer at my work who I brought it up with once, he was chill about it, but I ended up debating a little bit longer than I should've.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#132169: Jul 25th 2016 at 1:33:01 AM

Wouldn't be the first time wikileaks has over promised. Still I don't quite get their end game. "Bernie lost, we'll make sure trump gets in!" doesn't sound very progressive. Gotta admit the conspiracy theory that the Russian government is leaking all this info to them in an attempt to get Trump into power feels alot less tin foily then before.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#132170: Jul 25th 2016 at 2:11:23 AM

There has been a shooting at a nightclub in Fort Myers, Florida

Reports are that at least two people have been killed at the teen nightclub. Police have detained one suspect.

golgothasArisen Since: Jan, 2015
#132171: Jul 25th 2016 at 2:36:47 AM

I'm so glad that this stuff happens about four hours away from me. First Orlando, and now this.

When will it stop?!

"If you spend all your heart / On something that has died / You are not alive and that can't be a life"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#132172: Jul 25th 2016 at 3:34:05 AM

So, Trump apparently got a 6 point boost from the RNC and is ahead of Clinton, according to a CNN poll.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/index.html

Now, I wouldn't start panicking until after the DNC at least, we are still within the margin of error and its a long time until November. And Trump's demographic issues aren't going to vanish. But if Wikileaks and the Bernie or Bust crowd fuck up the DNC we might be in for a nasty ride.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#132173: Jul 25th 2016 at 3:52:22 AM

@ Fort Meyers shooting: Could this one be Gang-related?

Keep Rolling On
Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#132174: Jul 25th 2016 at 4:53:53 AM

[up][up] Holy crap they really can't be serious.

How could the RNC actually give him a bump... It was terrible in 1000 different ways.

I need some Prozac and anti ulcer meds.

edited 25th Jul '16 4:59:21 AM by Memers

ZeroPoint Since: Feb, 2013
#132175: Jul 25th 2016 at 4:57:26 AM

I am having a legit panic attack over the growing possibility of Trump winning and a new Era of fascism arising. I just want to have a boring calm life of doing as I am told, I don't want to fight to survive. Someone please tell me what to do.


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