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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131951: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:06:53 AM

Ambar: It's not like Sanders voters are going away. I also think you're overestimating how much they're going to moderate their views. Yeah Sanders clearly lost but the DNC needs to be prepared to pivot more in his direction over the next decade. These ideas aren't just going to go away and if young voters don't feel like they can trust the establishment then the DNC is going to hand the country over to the Republicans.

Tobias: Trump winning is not an argument against fair play. I was willing to brush aside the complaints against them as people being unhappy he lost but it turns out they actually were biased and coming up with plans to stack the deck against him. If the Democrats want to claim the moral high ground then that shit should not be tolerated.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131952: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:07:12 AM

Do the allegations against Snowden actually fit the (legal) definition of treason in the US? I don't think Russia is considered an enemy, the only people that have been charged with treason lately are those who have defected to terrorist groups that are actively fighting the US right now.

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#131953: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:07:51 AM

[up]We might be able to hit them with sedition.

Leviticus 19:34
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#131954: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:10:10 AM

[up][up]Alternately, you get a far-left equivalent of the Tea Party rebelling against the DNC and we repeat this dance on the other side.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131955: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:11:27 AM

[up][up]That and/or espionage. Those were the typical charges used against Cold War leakers.

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131956: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:15:04 AM

@Ambar: Millenial Americans have a historically low approval rating of government and a historically low rating of confidence in the government. It's better than pretty much every other age bracket, but substantially higher than any of those demographics when they were young. Which is why I'm fairly confident they're(/we're, I'm apparently right on the Gen Y/Gen Z border) going to be a fairly transformative generation.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#131958: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:17:33 AM

Oh, to answer the question, The Constitution strictly limits the definition of treason to actively aiding or fighting as an enemy. Russia is not officially an enemy, currently.

edited 24th Jul '16 10:17:51 AM by Elle

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131959: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:17:55 AM

[up][up] 1993-present, and in my experience even more left leaning than millennials.

edited 24th Jul '16 10:18:23 AM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131960: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:21:08 AM

I'm pretty sure that overlaps with Millenials. From what I've seen Millenial is usually defined as 1986-2000.

edited 24th Jul '16 10:21:16 AM by Kostya

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131961: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:22:41 AM

[up] Generation boundaries are a bit fuzzy, and in my experience there's a fairly big gap between people who were too young to really remember/were not alive for Bill Clinton's presidency, ideologically speaking.

edited 24th Jul '16 10:22:51 AM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131962: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:25:33 AM

I'd say there's a fairly large gap between people born in the 90s and people in the 2000s. For one thing most of us can remember a time before personal computers and cell phones were widespread. We can also remember 9/11 happening. Kids born in the early 2000s can't say that.

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#131963: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:30:11 AM

Tobias: Trump winning is not an argument against fair play. I was willing to brush aside the complaints against them as people being unhappy he lost but it turns out they actually were biased and coming up with plans to stack the deck against him. If the Democrats want to claim the moral high ground then that shit should not be tolerated.

The Democrats' moral high ground has nothing to do with interparty politics and everything to do with the fact that their candidate is not seeking to oppress women and outright purge various minority groups. It has never been a secret that the DNC didn't like Sanders and was willing to work against him as their candidate. It was a pleasant surprise when it proved unnecessary, but everybody's always known that the DNC wanted to use its superdelegates to deny him the nomination in the event the race ended up that close.

And now the big smoking gun is that they wanted to ask him questions that he has politically unpopular answers to? That's your hideous insider corruption? That is enough to strip the DNC of their moral high ground and make Trump's hate speeches start to look pleasant by comparison?

Trump wants to ban Muslims, the DNC wanted to ask Sanders about his religious affiliation in an interview. How can these two possibly be considered equivalent?

edited 24th Jul '16 10:32:46 AM by TobiasDrake

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#131964: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:34:35 AM

[up]Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

Oh really when?
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#131965: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:36:33 AM

This continued insistence on painting the two parties as equivalent out of some dogged desire to appear unbiased is infuriating.

edited 24th Jul '16 10:36:46 AM by Fighteer

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131966: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:37:29 AM

[up][up][up]Dude I'm not saying the Democrats aren't still preferable to Trump. That doesn't mean I'm willing to just overlook the fact that they were thinking of ways to undermine him. That it ultimately proved unnecessary is pointless. It's still a bad thing and it's the sort of thing that will make young voters turn against the DNC.

[up]I never said they were? I'm saying that the Republicans being assholes doesn't mean the Democrats should be allowed to use shady tactics without repercussions. Firing the people responsible isn't an overreaction.

edited 24th Jul '16 10:38:35 AM by Kostya

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#131968: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:39:47 AM

I think that the DNC does need to clean house at some point, this kind of behaviour isn't healthy and is not good for the party, it will just anger people and could easily be used in other ways. We could easily see a situation like gerrymandering emerge where neither group don't want to ban it because once in control they're able to use it to benefit them, that would be bad.

But, the DNC cleaning house can wait till December if need be, we've got until 2018 to get the DNC clean and away from unduly influencing primaries, we can wait till December to start.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131969: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:41:00 AM

[up]Waiting until December could cause problems. The election is in November. If Millennials don't feel like they can trust the DNC then they have even less reason to vote for Hillary.

[up][up]So they did get Bernie to speak at the convention. Great. I wonder why they don't have Warren or Kaine.

edited 24th Jul '16 10:44:30 AM by Kostya

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131970: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:43:13 AM

Great to see Sanders in a speaking roll at the convention. If nothing else (and he is more than this of course), the man is a hell of an orator.

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#131971: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:44:55 AM

This continued insistence on painting the two parties as equivalent out of some dogged desire to appear unbiased is infuriating.
Indeed. Excusing everything your side does, no matter how dodgy or dumb, is so much better. That's the great thing about having a truly abominable enemy. No matter what you do, criticism can be stiffled since you're still better. Yay for "not as bad"-ism.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#131972: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:46:24 AM

Kaine and warren are speaking it's just those are the main meals each night.

The others are just apetizer

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#131973: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:49:43 AM

The reason I'm not as confident about Bernie's supporters being the future is that the current crop of young voters have vivid memories of the 2008 financial crisis. They came of age seeing prospects for their future evaporate, with big corporations being the ones responsible, yet largely escaping repercussions. That has naturally affected their views about how the economy should be run.

Those are the current young voters, but what about the people who will be young voters 8 or 10 years from now? People who, when the financial crisis occurred, were too young to understand things like home loans or student debt? Will they necessarily share their predecessors' attitude towards the economy?

MysteryMan23 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#131974: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:57:30 AM

So, I'm feeling rather peeved at some of Bernie's "supporters." They seem to think Bernie should disavow Hillary after the DNC leak, as if calling for Debbie's resignation isn't enough. I mean, is there any evidence at all that Hillary was in cahoots with the DNC on this?

And of course, since he's not turning on Clinton over this, said "supporters" - and I use the term very loosely - are turning on him, calling him a sell-out and a fraud. I swear, these "supporters" were only with him because he was against Clinton.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#131975: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:59:51 AM

Additional speakers at the DNC

PHILADELPHIA – The Democratic National Convention Committee announced a list of elected officials who will address the Democratic National Convention being held in Philadelphia from July 25 to July 28. Leaders from across the country will speak about their support for Clinton’s vision of an America that is stronger together and where the economy works for everyone, not just those at the top. Additional speakers will continue to be announced throughout the week.

State Representative Raumesh Akbari (Tennessee) Congresswoman Joyce Beatty (Ohio) Congressman Xavier Becerra (California) Columbia, SC Mayor Steve Benjamin Senator Cory Booker (New Jersey) Senator Barbara Boxer (California) Congressman Brendan Boyle (Pennsylvania) Congressman Bob Brady (Pennsylvania) Governor Jerry Brown (California) Senator Sherrod Brown (Ohio) Senator Bob Casey (Pennsylvania) Congressman Joaquin Castro (Texas) Congressman James Clyburn (South Carolina) Congressman Joseph Crowley (New York) Governor Andrew Cuomo (New York) Governor Mark Dayton (Minnesota) Former Governor Howard Dean (Vermont) New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan Majority Leader State Representative Crisanta Duran (Colorado) Congresswoman Michelle Lujan Grisham (New Mexico) Chillicothe, OH Mayor Luke Feeney State Representative Peggy Flanagan (Minnesota) Senator Al Franken (Minnesota) Congressman Ruben Gallego (Arizona) Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti Former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords & Captain Mark Kelly (Arizona) Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (New York) Tallahassee, FL Mayor Andrew Gillum Former Governor Jennifer Granholm (Michigan) Congressman Luis Gutierrez (Illinois) Former Senator Tom Harkin (Iowa) Democratic State Party Chair Jaime Harrison (South Carolina) Governor John Hickenlooper (Colorado) Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas) Senator Tim Kaine (Virginia) Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney State Senator Ruben Kihuen (Nevada) Senator Amy Klobuchar (Minnesota) Congressman Ted Lieu (California) Congresswoman Nita Lowey (New York) Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes (Kentucky) Governor Terry Mc Auliffe (Virginia) Congresswoman Gwen Moore (Wisconsin) Senator Chris Murphy (Connecticut) Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom (California) Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton (Washington, DC) Former Governor Martin O’Malley (Maryland) House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid (Nevada) Congressman Adam Schiff (California) Senator Chuck Schumer (New York) Former State Representative Bakari Sellers (South Carolina) Senator Jeanne Shaheen (New Hampshire) State Senator Pat Spearman (Nevada) Former Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa Boston Mayor Marty Walsh Senator Elizabeth Warren (Massachusetts) Congresswoman Maxine Waters (California) Flint, MI Mayor Karen Weaver Governor Tom Wolf (Pennsylvania)

Monday, July 25 Congressman Keith Ellison (Minnesota) National Education Association President Lily Eskelsen Garcia Congressman Raul Grijalva (Arizona) Senate Majority Leader Mike Gronstal (Iowa) and candidates of the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee SEIU President Mary Kay Henry Congressman Joe Kennedy (Massachusetts) Chair of the Democratic Governors Association Connecticut Governor Dan Malloy Building Trades President Sean Mc Garvey U.S. Senator Jeff Merkley (Oregon) Congresswoman Linda Sanchez (California) and members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus AFSCME President Lee Saunders AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka American Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten

Tuesday, July 26 Democratic National Committee Vice Chair of Voter Registration and Participation Donna Brazile Former State Senator Jason Carter (Georgia) House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi (California) and the Democratic Women of the House Planned Parenthood Action Fund President Cecile Richards

Wednesday, July 27 Congressman GK Butterfield and members of the Congressional Black Caucus Congresswoman Judy Chu (California) and members of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus NARAL President Ilyse Hogue Rear Admiral John Hutson (Ret. USN) Civil Rights leader Jesse Jackson Congressman Ben Ray Lujan and candidates of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Former Congressman and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta Former Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey EMILY’s List President Stephanie Schriock Center for American Progress Action Fund President Neera Tanden

Thursday, July 28 General John Allen (ret. USMC), former Commander, International Security Assistance Forces, and Commander, United States Forces – Afghanistan Candidates of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee President of the Human Rights Campaign Chad Griffin League of Conservation Voters President Gene Karpinski Co-Chair of the Congressional LGBT Equality Caucus Congressman Sean Patrick Maloney (New York) and LGBT rights activist Sarah Mc Bride U.S. Senator Barbara Mikulski (Maryland) and the Democratic Women of the Senate

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