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#131926: Jul 24th 2016 at 7:20:52 AM

The EU has some mutual defense clauses that might get quietly reinforced.

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#131927: Jul 24th 2016 at 7:23:02 AM

[up][up] I mean, that's assuming the CIA doesn't assassinate Trump for even considering pulling out of NATO or something like that. Unless he can convince the military elite that realigning ourselves with Russia is a good idea, he's going to face resistance every step of the way from the alphabet agencies.

edited 24th Jul '16 7:24:17 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#131928: Jul 24th 2016 at 7:30:40 AM

My money is on "stabbed by every senator on the floor one after the other, with his daughter being the last"

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Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#131929: Jul 24th 2016 at 7:31:18 AM

We know what would have happened because the same thing happened in 2008. Spoiler alert: Obama won anyway.

Clinton still only narrowly lost against an extremely charismatic and popular candidate who would be the first black American president and voted against the war in Iraq (a very important issue after the Bush presidency), while Clinton's campaign was poorly managed. So this seems to be more evidence to me that it also affected that race. I never said that someone instantly wins if they have superdelegates, but that doesn't change the fact that they are an undemocratic system.

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#131930: Jul 24th 2016 at 7:32:16 AM

Trump utterly dismantled the by-the-book campaigns

Sure but that was the Republican primary book, which involved apealing to the racist nut jobs with dog whistles but not being openly racist and bigoted.

Clinton didn't right to book that Bush, Rubio and Cruz used, because she doesn't engage in racist dog whistles and she doesn't care about the votes of the racist nutjob crowd.

She can call Trump a racist bigot pandering to racist bigots and not loose the election, which nobody in the Republican primary could do.

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#131931: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:07:41 AM

The possible beginning of the end: Debbie Schultz will not speak at the DNC due to the Wikileaks release.

There's damage control, and then there's this. If this is a sign that she's on the way out, it'll be interesting to see who they float as her replacement.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131932: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:16:58 AM

Good. I don't think any of the people responsible for this should keep their jobs.

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#131933: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:25:24 AM

Responsible for what?

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131934: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:26:06 AM

Planning to rig the election against Sanders.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#131935: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:28:16 AM

...seriously?

Do you have any ANY idea how enourmously difficult it would be to rig a primary, let alone a general?

There's no smoking gun here.

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#131936: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:29:29 AM

Yeah, where exactly does it say they were going to rig votes?

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131937: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:30:09 AM

Dude they were specifically plotting ways to make Sanders lose. Whether or not they actually succeeded this is a pretty clear case of corruption. Fortunately it seems like they didn't actually carry this stuff out so Hillary's win is still legitimate but this can't just be swept under the rug. The people responsible need to resign from their positions.

edit: Okay fine, rig is the wrong word. The point stands that their behavior was entirely inappropriate.

edited 24th Jul '16 8:30:44 AM by Kostya

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#131938: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:32:39 AM

But like, where? All I've seen is internal suggestions on how to deal with him in debates and how to respond to his policies and angles.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131939: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:33:30 AM

[up]Which is a problem because the DNC is supposed to be impartial.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#131940: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:46:46 AM

A party actually be impartial? Since when? lol no. The DNC and RNC have never been completely impartial in any election ever.

Also a research / advice memo really lists all avenues to attack available, and I do mean all, its up to the candidate to choose how deep they want to go. Its a testament to Hillary that she didn't go that route at all and genuinely debated the issues, I really can not say the same to certain republicans.

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#131941: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:05:58 AM

I'm actually a little surprised that the DNC would even pretend to be impartial. The whole point of a political party is to fulfill a political agenda, after all.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:06:25 AM by Protagonist506

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131942: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:06:17 AM

Sanders voters are the future of the Democratic party. Him losing already angered enough of them. If the party makes it known that this sort of behavior is tolerated it's just going to inspire even more voter apathy among young people.

TheWanted Since: Oct, 2013
#131943: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:07:30 AM

Hmm.

http://www.salon.com/2016/07/22/dnc_emails_wasserman_schultz_furiously_pressured_msnbc_after_it_criticized_her_unfair_treatment_of_sanders/

Dnc chair sent an email to msnbc in that leaked cache of emails that pressured them to drop criticism of her.

Elements of the media kowtowing and in collusion with democrats? Say it ain't so.

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#131944: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:09:22 AM

Schultz needed to resign over stuff much more important than this. Her abandonment of the 50-state strategy while still promoting bizarre blue dog candidates (like Allison Lundergan-Grimes in Kentucky against Senator Mcconnell, the democratic woman who wouldn't say whether she voted for Obama in either election) is what's given the GOP their unprecedented level of control at lower levels (state and Congress) of government. She's been a disaster for the party with no upshot. The guy trying to primary her in Florida isn't much better (he's attacking her *from the right* on the Iran deal), but would at least mark an ignominious end to her career.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:10:05 AM by Ogodei

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#131945: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:09:51 AM

[up]Hate to break it to you, but your media has been in cahoots with both major parties for quite a while...

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#131946: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:31:50 AM

[up] In the US, certainly since the days of William Randolph Hearst (in particular, the Spanish-American War of 1898).

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#131947: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:33:23 AM

IIRC, the idea that the media should be "unbiased" is a rather new concept.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#131948: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:41:10 AM

Article on the process that led to Kaine's selection.

Sanders voters are the future of the Democratic party.

This is true insofar as Sanders voters were young. However, the argument that the Democrats must pander to Sanders' platform in order to secure the loyalty of his voter base does not automatically follow—particularly once we get past this election cycle.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:44:57 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#131949: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:00:17 AM

but that they declared their preference before anyone had voted and the media always included them in the delegate count. This made it appear as if Clinton had an insurmountable lead at any time, which likely has depressed voter turn-out for Sanders. So who knows what would have happened if superdelegates didn't exist.

This sounds reasonable but it isn't. The superdelegates were supposed to vote for whoever they want. What point is there in waiting until the process, it's not like a lot of people hadn't already decided who they already supported. Not including them in he delegate count only makes sense if there is actually a history of a significant number of them changing their mind and vote throughout the course of things. I presume that didn't happen, so the projections were accurate then? This post is just more "Sanders could of won if things had gone his way" nonsense, which we really should be done with at this point.

edited 24th Jul '16 10:00:54 AM by LSBK

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#131950: Jul 24th 2016 at 10:01:03 AM

Once a leader has been in a position for a certain length of time, people begin to feel he's irreplaceable. No democratic system should let its head be perceived as irreplaceable.

We're seeing that this year, even. In the wake of having to pick between Trump and Hillary, there are some going, "Can't we just keep Obama?"

Time to brand Wikileaks as a criminal organization and sic domestic and international law enforcement on the bastards. At this point its pretty clear that they are nothing more than Putin proxies.

This is news to people?

As one of the people that was previously supporting Snowden's crimes being labelled treasonous, I'm going to take a moment and do my vindication dance. They aren't heroes, they aren't freedom fighters, and they never have been. They just want to see America burn.

It saddens me that we need ties to a foreign dictator for people to recognize that those who work diligently to destroy us and everything we stand for are our enemies.

Which is a problem because the DNC is supposed to be impartial.

RNC impartiality led to Donald Trump.

Had the party sabotaged him and used dirty tricks to prohibit him from getting the nomination, it would have gone to Ted Cruz.

Frankly, it's not much of a difference either way.

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