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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131651: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:56:30 PM

Yeah, at most they discussed ideas to plant in the media's collective head. And the media was running those ideas from the start anyway. There is zero sign of anything approaching fraud.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131652: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:59:08 PM

Still dickish.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131653: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:00:07 PM

It's still rather irritating, even if it's coming out far to late to do anything; imagine for example if the situation was reversed? Would you not be upset about this? Please be honest.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#131654: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:01:13 PM

[up]

While there seems to be largely fluff involved, there is one in particular that talks about how the DNC was covering up the funds shifting from State-level election campaign to the Presidential one, which has long-been alleged, but that email exchange gives a lot more credence to.

Aside from that, while I agree that what the DNC did is akin to Dick Dastardly Stops to Cheat, the point most people will take away is that they cheated at all.

Oof - I just got pointed to a really tasteless one where "Marshal L" asked about having someone question Sanders' religious beliefs.

It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:04:17 PM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131655: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:01:41 PM

Nobody is denying it isn't Handle but I also don't see anything in that article that I'd classify as criminal. I think some people in the DNC should definitely resign over this but it's not like Hillary specifically asked them to do this. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if her reaction was to order them to stop helping her.

[up]Is it cheating if you don't actually do it?

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:02:46 PM by Kostya

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131657: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:03:58 PM

Can we please just arrest those shits? Or have they all fled to unfriendly nations by this point?

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:04:23 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131658: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:05:30 PM

Arresting them probably won't do much good.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131659: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:06:11 PM

They are basically enabling identity theft, they should face the consequences for that.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#131660: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:08:21 PM

Reposting on the new page since I doubt anyone will read the bottom of the previous one...

One particularly distasteful email had "Marshal L" ask if someone could publicly pin down Sanders' religious beliefs in an effort to cost him points among the devout crowd.

It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.

Legal? Sure. But that type of collusion with a Presidential candidate (or rather, against a particular candidate) as part of a National party is borderline vile.

And yes, cheating still matters even when it wouldn't be needed at all. Why else would we even have that trope?

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131661: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:09:51 PM

[up] I mean, if this had leaked right before the New York primary, it might very well have resulted in a different outcome to the race. Alas though, as with many things done behind closed doors, it's only visible with hindsight.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131662: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:09:58 PM

[up][up]I'm not saying it doesn't matter if it's not needed. I'm asking if it matters when it was never put into practice. Was this stuff even done? I never heard anything about people questioning Bernie's religion.

[up]Why did they wait if that's the case? If their whole plan is to discredit Hillary then why release this shit a week before the DNC after Sanders already conceded the race?

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:11:04 PM by Kostya

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131663: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:12:26 PM

Because Wikileaks is Chaotic Stupid at best?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131664: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:14:10 PM

I guess. I'm honestly wondering what the logic train is here. If the goal is to discredit Hillary and give the nomination to Sanders then they're hilariously incompetent at it.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#131665: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:15:24 PM

I don't think Wikileaks has a goal other than to stick it to the man.

Leviticus 19:34
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#131666: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:15:54 PM

[up]

It was asked in Flint, Michigan back in March, and may have been what that email was referring to.

In regards to the "does it matter", it's still suspicious as hell that they were colluding like that against Sanders in the first place, as the ideal would be allowing the public to decide for themselves without intervention. Granted, that's what wound up getting Trump as the Republican candidate, but still.

[down][down]

I meant in regards to the "he skated by" comment in the email, rather than the "we need to ask this" one.

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:24:02 PM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#131667: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:16:47 PM

Their goal is just to discredit Hillary. Like others have said, wikileaks is mostly Russians and Jill Stein esque crazies.

They've got lots of reasons to try and undermine her.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131668: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:18:34 PM

[up][up]That was in March. The article says the email was sent in May.

edit: I'm not denying it's suspicious. If Hillary doesn't clean house at the DNC over this then I'm going to lose a lot of respect for her. Still, hopefully none of these emails reveal that she asked them to do this for her.

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:19:37 PM by Kostya

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131669: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:20:21 PM

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians (or elements in Russia, Putin might be smart enough not to pull this) started covertly supporting Trump.

EDIT: Clinton has selected Tim Kaine as her VP.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/politics/hillary-clinton-vp-pick/index.html

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:21:29 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131670: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:21:35 PM

Wasn't there some faux scandal about Obama getting donations from terrorist groups and Muslim countries in 08? It would be amusing if 16 has Trump actually getting backing from Russia.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#131671: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:25:31 PM

Given Trump's attitude towards the Russians and the praise he's getting for it I'm not sure that'd even be an issue at this point to be honest.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131672: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:26:51 PM

Eh, I think a bunch of Republicans that are on the fence would balk at finding out that he's going to ally us with Russia.

edit: [up][up][up]Way to go for the safe choice Clinton. I honestly think she made a mistake here.

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:28:53 PM by Kostya

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#131673: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:28:16 PM

[up][up][up][up]

Going by his Wikipedia page, he strikes me as something of a Blue Dog Democrat - but a fairly reasonable one, as evidenced by his shift in position regarding abstinence-only sex ed to a more comprehensive one after having sufficient proof that the former is horribly ineffective.

[down]

Edited that part - he was abstinence-only, but later shifted his position, so yay for that, at least.

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:31:49 PM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131674: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:29:53 PM

edit: Never mind. The post was edited.

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:31:45 PM by Kostya

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131675: Jul 22nd 2016 at 5:31:36 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, she really needs to make a more exciting campaign; she needs to wrest control of the news cycles away from Trump in order to win this.

@Kostya: Based on the article, they got their hands on this fairly recently, presumably past the point where it would've made a difference.

edited 22nd Jul '16 5:31:47 PM by CaptainCapsase


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