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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#131626: Jul 22nd 2016 at 3:44:00 PM

[up][up][up]that help trump actually since ir make him sound like a "regular guy" instead of a "establishment puppet" in Many was he is the anti-Obama

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#131627: Jul 22nd 2016 at 3:46:25 PM

@Hardcorefakes: Yeah I've found myself agreeing with him more than I'd like. However character matters, and Trumps is that of a manipulative sociopathic racist. I could never vote for a man like that. Plus he talks a tough game to the Chinese and yet he wants to withdraw form Japan and South Korea, effectively handing them Asia on a silver platter.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#131628: Jul 22nd 2016 at 3:50:56 PM

[up][up][up]"Converted" into what? All I said was that I agree with some of his points.

Agreeing with certain points doesn't mean full force support for the guy. I agree with a lot of Clinton's positions too, doesn't mean I support her either. I agree with, at best, a handful of his points (same with Clinton really).

I don't have to have full support for either candidate, I try to keep an open mind about everyone.

edited 22nd Jul '16 3:51:47 PM by hardcorefakes

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#131629: Jul 22nd 2016 at 3:51:37 PM

I'd really be interested in hearing which points.

Oh really when?
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#131630: Jul 22nd 2016 at 3:53:25 PM

The thing with Trump is that he does 180s on positions within 24 hours of each other, and will claim that's the position he's always had. Politicians aren't the most honest person, but even by politician standards that's pretty dishonest.

Leviticus 19:34
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#131631: Jul 22nd 2016 at 3:54:51 PM

Everyone should be free to speak their minds. If you have something you want to say, go for it.

hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#131632: Jul 22nd 2016 at 3:55:29 PM

[up][up][up]I'll say his views on gun control and immigration. But that's about it.

[down]I have no opinion on the Mexican wall thing, I do find myself agreeing with his Muslim travel policies. But that's all I'm going to say about that, really.

edited 22nd Jul '16 4:01:27 PM by hardcorefakes

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#131633: Jul 22nd 2016 at 3:56:09 PM

Which parts of his immigration policy? The wall or the general travel ban on all Muslims?

Oh really when?
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131634: Jul 22nd 2016 at 3:57:31 PM

Which part of his weapons policy? The part where he wants to remove gun-free schools, or the part where he says there's too much destruction and too many weapons?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#131635: Jul 22nd 2016 at 3:58:31 PM

Plus he talks a tough game to the Chinese and yet he wants to withdraw form Japan and South Korea, effectively handing them Asia on a silver platter.
Hey now, he it's not like he wants to withdraw. He just wants to turn US foreign policy into a mafia racket where our clients cough up enough protection money, if they don't want to find a foreign military on their doorstep. As long as they pay up, everything will be fine.

And for the record, I wasn't being entirely serious about the "converted" part (hence the quote marks). Just taking a shot at how debates tend to go these days.

edited 22nd Jul '16 3:59:41 PM by Eschaton

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#131636: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:00:15 PM

[up][up] Technically, that last part actually has some semblance of rationality to it.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131637: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:06:28 PM

[up][up]It's not a racket if you're being paid to protect from others than yourself. It's a kind of Client State relationship.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
hardcorefakes coolest_guy from probably America Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
coolest_guy
#131638: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:07:50 PM

[up][up][up][up]Trump said that last part? That sounds like a very un-Trump like thing to say.

And I only agree with his views on concealed carry, in regards to gun control. I don't believe in teachers possessing guns in a classroom.

edited 22nd Jul '16 4:16:41 PM by hardcorefakes

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#131639: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:14:19 PM

[up][up]You're right, the mob comes to collect itself. Though the client state model usually implies relatively more direct control over said clients than Trump has indicated, because he clearly just wants their money. But hey, maybe he'll take that "America First" rhetoric farther.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131640: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:27:36 PM

The American relationship with several nations around the world already verges on a vassal-liege relationship. Australia being a good example; they depend on the US to defend their maritime trade, and in return they fight in American wars just as they once did for the British. Trump seems intent on renegotiating those arrangements into something far less mutualistic however.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131641: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:31:41 PM

Trump is willing to start trade wars with some of America's closest allies (Canada, Japan, South Korea, Europe) and is trying to turn NATO into an extortion racket. He's a threat to global peace at this point.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#131642: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:34:27 PM

Clinton's take on the RNC:

“Did any of you watch that convention in Cleveland?” Clinton asked the crowd of about 3,600 people. “It was kind of perversely flattering. It’s hard to believe they spent so much time talking about me and no time talking about jobs and education.”

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#131644: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:41:10 PM

God I hate wikileaks.

Oh really when?
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#131645: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:42:59 PM

Anything truely damaging? But yes, I also hate wikileaks. Either they are Russian trolls as is being alleged, or Jill Stein-level extremists who'd rather see the world burn.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#131646: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:43:36 PM

People already believed that anyway. I mean, wasn't that more or less obvious with chairwoman?

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131647: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:45:12 PM

I wonder what Bernie would say about that.

Edit: the stupid part is that they probably didn't even need to bother doing that. In doing so they're just undermining Hillary.

Edit 2: So after reading the article I don't think there's anything too damaging although Sanders supporters probably won't take it that way. I never heard about any of these plans being carried out so it could have just been idle talk. I do think the relevant people should be fired though.

edited 22nd Jul '16 4:52:28 PM by Kostya

Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#131648: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:49:25 PM

Yeah, the issue here is clearly Wikileaks fault./s

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but this doesn't strike me as something the DNC is supposed to do.

The Chairperson shall exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.

Source: Democratic Party Charter and Bylaws, Article 5, Section 4. [1]

edited 22nd Jul '16 4:52:27 PM by Demonic_Braeburn

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131649: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:50:01 PM

For fuck's sake wikileaks.

And Sanders still lost fair and square, but convincing people of that just got a lot harder.

[up]Oh we know that some elements of the DNC were biased. But it didn't really impact the primary. And undermining Clinton at this point in the race is the same thing as supporting Trump.

edited 22nd Jul '16 4:50:51 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131650: Jul 22nd 2016 at 4:54:31 PM

[up]Did any of this stuff happen? They only give a few examples of things they cooked up to discredit Bernie but to my knowledge nobody actually carried them out. He still lost fair and square. Now if the DNC had intentionally altered voting stats that would be a whole different issue.


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