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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131501: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:07:04 AM

[up][up][up]?!

[up]It is, and you should assume that every troper knows that due to how wiki words work here. Doesn't stop Frank Underwood from being a weird Expy of Mr. Clinton, Nixon, and Lyndon B Johnson, among others. A remake it may be, but its references and language are uniquely USA-ian, as befits the setting.

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:09:40 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#131502: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:09:51 AM

[up][up][up] Hey I bet most dude Presidents had a day when they felt like nuking France. waii

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#131503: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:09:56 AM

[up][up] The GOP by and large does not make it any easier by bringing in a loutish bunch who are proud of their ignorance and lack of college / university instruction.

As opportunistic as I am, its going to be difficult to stomach their attitudes toward higher learning.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131504: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:10:41 AM

Sour Grapes. They hate what they cannot have.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#131505: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:10:56 AM

Not everyone opposing Clinton does so because they're afraid she'll go PMS on an ally at a critical juncture. It's lazy thinking to suggest that's true.

If someone out-and-out says "Ain't no female fit to be president of my country", then yes. That person is very clearly an idiot. However you can have not only ideological, but philosophical differences with someone and feel that they are unfit to be president without the fact that they are a woman being a part of your argument.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#131506: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:12:16 AM

You can also still not feel a woman should be president without ever saying so. Bigotry isn't always openly displayed.

Oh really when?
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#131507: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:13:04 AM

Nobody said it was everyone who was opposed to her. We said that it would be foolish to not acknowledge that some people who refuse to vote for her are doing so for sexist reasons.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#131508: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:14:32 AM

I've never understood the hate for Hil. She gets more ire from the GOP than her husband does (despite his involvement in the same scandals and then some) and I've never understood why. I mean, I often joke conspiratorially that she was destined for great things in the GOP back when she was still a Republican and therefore the party elders wanted to punish her, but obviously that can't be it, since said party elders are long gone by now, considering its been almost 50 years since she left the party.

OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#131509: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:17:24 AM

I'm talking about the trend among the extremes, going back several pages in discussion. The lunatic fringe gets presented by the lazy as the core.

There's about six conversations happening at once, here.

@Le Garcon

It is a bad idea to accuse someone, as a knee-jerk, was the original point I made (a few pages back). It shouldn't be the go-to recrimination.

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:20:07 AM by OblongReality

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131510: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:17:40 AM

[up][up]I think at least part of it is because she can be scarily competent when she wants to be. They spend a lot of time trying to discredit her because they realize a President Clinton would be a very bad thing for their agenda.

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:17:59 AM by Kostya

Lennik (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#131511: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:20:34 AM

[up][up][up]I think the hate for Hillary coming from the GOP in instances where Bill was just as responsible, or even the only one responsible (Bill cheating on her, and her getting blamed for it to this day, for example) comes from the simple fact that some conservatives hate women. They'll bring out people like Carly Fiorina in a partial effort to convince people that they don't hate women, but some of Fiorina's rhetoric and policy proposals were just as anti-woman as the male GOP, so that's why they make an exception for conservative women.

It's not just their sex. It's Their Sex + Difference of Politics.

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:21:12 AM by Lennik

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#131512: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:21:26 AM

[up][up][up]Yeah, the convo jumble can get impressive sometimes. Not just this thread either.

[up][up]Yeah I've heard several republicans I know personally kinda get shocked at how much they agree with her versus Trump. She's more of a pre-90s/2000s Republican/Reaganite (by comparison, mind) than Trump is.

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:21:39 AM by FFShinra

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#131513: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:21:27 AM

The Handle: We aren't going to agree on this. I believe that there is no point in trying to bring these people over to the side of sanity. A bigot doesn't stop being a bigot because people talked nicely to them. Never mind that patting them on the head gently and saying, "Who's a cute little racist," would be treated as patronizing in the extreme. Isn't a big chunk of the disaffection of the political fringes about the "excessive political correctness" that's going on in our society?

I don't care if some angry white dude stays angry because I didn't suck up to his prejudices. He's a loss as far as democracy goes.

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:22:31 AM by Fighteer

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#131514: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:22:09 AM

Yeah. When people are wearing shirts about Monica Lewinski at Trump rallies (and they're being sold at those rallies) I think saying they're sexist is justified.

OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#131515: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:29:15 AM

Exactly, wearing a Lewinsky shirt as some form of proof that the real victim (Ms. Clinton) is unfit for president is pretty glaringly a sign that the individual isn't interested in analysis, and just wants to be belligerent.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131517: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:31:19 AM

I think it's more like they're calling her a "cuck" (a cuckold, someone who is looked down upon because they aren't able to control the sexuality of their partner). I'm being optimistic: that would be progress, after a fashion.

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:32:15 AM by TheHandle

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#131518: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:34:52 AM

[up][up]

"I'm overjoyed to see Donald Trump and most Americans embrace most of the issues that I've championed for years," Duke said. "I was the first major candidate in modern times to promote the policy of 'America first.'

Duke, a self-professed white supremacist, vowed to defend European Americans in Congress.

"The fact is that European Americans need at least one man in the United States Senate, one man in the Congress, who will defend their rights and heritage," he said.

Should be said that Trump used the phrase America First in his acceptance speech. There's not really any nuance or doubt anymore.

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:35:05 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#131519: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:35:30 AM

I seem to have touched a nerve based on all the discussion that's started. I didn't say everyone who won't vote for Clinton is sexist. I'm saying that when you have Sanders supporters turning to Gary Johnson, who has very little in common with Sanders beyond his gender you've got to wonder if sexism, consciously or unconsciously, is playing a role.

[up][up]If that's your idea of progress I had to see what your idea of reactionary politics looks like.

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:35:43 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131520: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:36:37 AM

[up]Sexism and antiestablishmentarianism.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#131521: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:37:55 AM

@ Garcon: Trump also used the phrase "Americanism not Globalism", didn't he?

Keep Rolling On
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#131522: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:41:19 AM

Sexism and antiestablishmentarianism

Sanders and Johnson are hardly anti-establishment, no matter what they say. Neither is Trump, regardless of how his fans feel (he's pretty much the definition of The Man).

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:41:27 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#131523: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:43:53 AM

Gary Johnson is comparable to Sanders on social issues (of course, economically he is almost the exact opposite), and he also doesn't take Super PAC money (a major issue people have with Clinton). Besides, most people who vote for Johnson don't think he will become president. It's more a protest vote than anything else because they dislike both major party nominees, and it would make third parties also more viable, and therefore make the US election system more democratic.

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:44:29 AM by Perian

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#131524: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:43:54 AM

Going by some particular definitions that is.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#131525: Jul 22nd 2016 at 10:44:35 AM

[up][up][up]but that is his campain, he play the "miracle man" idea of having someone fixing all the problems in the country, specially if they atack the establishment.

it dosent make sense? yeah but that is trump for you

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:53:17 AM by unknowing

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