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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Sour Grapes. They hate what they cannot have.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Not everyone opposing Clinton does so because they're afraid she'll go PMS on an ally at a critical juncture. It's lazy thinking to suggest that's true.
If someone out-and-out says "Ain't no female fit to be president of my country", then yes. That person is very clearly an idiot. However you can have not only ideological, but philosophical differences with someone and feel that they are unfit to be president without the fact that they are a woman being a part of your argument.
I've never understood the hate for Hil. She gets more ire from the GOP than her husband does (despite his involvement in the same scandals and then some) and I've never understood why. I mean, I often joke conspiratorially that she was destined for great things in the GOP back when she was still a Republican and therefore the party elders wanted to punish her, but obviously that can't be it, since said party elders are long gone by now, considering its been almost 50 years since she left the party.
I'm talking about the trend among the extremes, going back several pages in discussion. The lunatic fringe gets presented by the lazy as the core.
There's about six conversations happening at once, here.
It is a bad idea to accuse someone, as a knee-jerk, was the original point I made (a few pages back). It shouldn't be the go-to recrimination.
edited 22nd Jul '16 10:20:07 AM by OblongReality
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I think the hate for Hillary coming from the GOP in instances where Bill was just as responsible, or even the only one responsible (Bill cheating on her, and her getting blamed for it to this day, for example) comes from the simple fact that some conservatives hate women. They'll bring out people like Carly Fiorina in a partial effort to convince people that they don't hate women, but some of Fiorina's rhetoric and policy proposals were just as anti-woman as the male GOP, so that's why they make an exception for conservative women.
It's not just their sex. It's Their Sex + Difference of Politics.
edited 22nd Jul '16 10:21:12 AM by Lennik
That's right, boys. Mondo cool.![]()
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Yeah, the convo jumble can get impressive sometimes. Not just this thread either.
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Yeah I've heard several republicans I know personally kinda get shocked at how much they agree with her versus Trump. She's more of a pre-90s/2000s Republican/Reaganite (by comparison, mind) than Trump is.
edited 22nd Jul '16 10:21:39 AM by FFShinra
The Handle: We aren't going to agree on this. I believe that there is no point in trying to bring these people over to the side of sanity. A bigot doesn't stop being a bigot because people talked nicely to them. Never mind that patting them on the head gently and saying, "Who's a cute little racist," would be treated as patronizing in the extreme. Isn't a big chunk of the disaffection of the political fringes about the "excessive political correctness" that's going on in our society?
I don't care if some angry white dude stays angry because I didn't suck up to his prejudices. He's a loss as far as democracy goes.
edited 22nd Jul '16 10:22:31 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"I think it's more like they're calling her a "cuck" (a cuckold, someone who is looked down upon because they aren't able to control the sexuality of their partner). I'm being optimistic: that would be progress, after a fashion.
edited 22nd Jul '16 10:32:15 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.![]()
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Duke, a self-professed white supremacist, vowed to defend European Americans in Congress.
"The fact is that European Americans need at least one man in the United States Senate, one man in the Congress, who will defend their rights and heritage," he said.
Should be said that Trump used the phrase America First in his acceptance speech. There's not really any nuance or doubt anymore.
edited 22nd Jul '16 10:35:05 AM by LeGarcon
Oh really when?I seem to have touched a nerve based on all the discussion that's started. I didn't say everyone who won't vote for Clinton is sexist. I'm saying that when you have Sanders supporters turning to Gary Johnson, who has very little in common with Sanders beyond his gender you've got to wonder if sexism, consciously or unconsciously, is playing a role.
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If that's your idea of progress I had to see what your idea of reactionary politics looks like.
edited 22nd Jul '16 10:35:43 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Gary Johnson is comparable to Sanders on social issues (of course, economically he is almost the exact opposite), and he also doesn't take Super PAC money (a major issue people have with Clinton). Besides, most people who vote for Johnson don't think he will become president. It's more a protest vote than anything else because they dislike both major party nominees, and it would make third parties also more viable, and therefore make the US election system more democratic.
edited 22nd Jul '16 10:44:29 AM by Perian
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but that is his campain, he play the "miracle man" idea of having someone fixing all the problems in the country, specially if they atack the establishment.
it dosent make sense? yeah but that is trump for you
edited 22nd Jul '16 10:53:17 AM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

edited 22nd Jul '16 10:09:40 AM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.