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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#131451: Jul 22nd 2016 at 7:54:27 AM

The irony of that did cross my mind.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#131452: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:00:28 AM

I can't imagine that johnny polls nearly well enough in any red/purple states to matter.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#131453: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:01:47 AM

[up] To matter enough to win or matter enough to be a spoiler?

carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#131454: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:06:04 AM

If his web ads I'm seeing are anything to go by, he's trying to siphon Republicans more-so than Dems with his fiscal conservative creds. If successful it might work out in the Democrats' favor if he courts potential Trump supporters.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#131455: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:07:38 AM

If his web ads I'm seeing are anything to go by, he's trying to siphon Republicans more-so than Dems with his fiscal conservative creds. If successful it might work out in the Democrats' favor if he courts potential Trump supporters.
The whole "a vote for Z instead of X is the same as voting for Y" thing?

Though in this case since it's courting people who would have otherwise voted Republican, it's more true then I generally consider it to be.

edited 22nd Jul '16 8:08:39 AM by sgamer82

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131456: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:13:38 AM

Yeah but the problems these people have with Hillary would not go away under Johnson. I'm also worried about people questioning Hillary's legitimacy if she only wins because Johnson was a spoiler. A decisive victory would be better in the long run.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#131457: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:22:14 AM

I think there's some evidence that Johnson is actually taking more support from Clinton than from Trump.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131458: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:23:55 AM

I see a lot of Sanders supporters going for him. I guess these people just want a revolution without giving a shit what policies the guy supports.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131459: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:25:36 AM

[up][up][up] Not necessarily; if Trump loses because of Johnson spoiling the election and/or is very narrowly defeated, Trumpismo is going to haunt the party for years to come, and might prove fatal to efforts to reinvent the party into something compatible with the 21st century.

[up] to be fair, a fair number of Libertarians crossed over to support Sanders after it became clear Rand Paul's campaign was dead in the water.

edited 22nd Jul '16 8:27:13 AM by CaptainCapsase

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131460: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:31:52 AM

Either way they're political idiots. Bernie and Johnson's campaigns are even more opposed than Bernie and Hillary's. If you back both but not Hillary then I think it's clear you don't give a shit about actual policy. You just want to stick it to "the Man".

edited 22nd Jul '16 8:32:12 AM by Kostya

megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#131461: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:34:24 AM

FiveThirtyEight had an article back on July 7th that figured including 3rd parties in polls costed Clinton about 1 percentage point on average. The three big caveats are that this was before the major conventions, before Sanders formally endorsed, and the observed effect had pretty big variance between pollsters.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#131463: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:37:26 AM

Mostly rich upper class white boys who have never worked a day in their life and think they won't go up in flames with everyone else.

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131464: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:38:04 AM

So I'm looking around and Bern the Convention is evidently still a thing. I hope Sanders is going to give a speech next week. I'd like to see him knock some sense into these people.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131465: Jul 22nd 2016 at 8:41:09 AM

@Kostya: it's worth noting that, (from what I heard at least) Johnson supports universal basic income as a replacement for current welfare programs. That's a bizzare position, but I've been told it's not uncommon for libertarians these days. That plus the anti-war position are definitely matters on which many of Sanders' supporters would find common ground.

The libertarians environmental position is insane, and they're about as anti-Union as possible however, so I'm not rooting for them to supplant the GOP.

edited 22nd Jul '16 8:45:22 AM by CaptainCapsase

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#131466: Jul 22nd 2016 at 9:01:24 AM

Bernie and Johnson's campaigns are even more opposed than Bernie and Hillary's. If you back both but not Hillary then I think it's clear you don't give a shit about actual policy. You just want to stick it to "the Man"

Or you are unwilling, consciously or unconsciously, to vote for a woman.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131468: Jul 22nd 2016 at 9:13:57 AM

[up][up] You know, I am deeply worried that the growing habit among the left to short circuit meaningful debate by accusing the opposing side of racism, sexism, or homophobia is going to backfire spectacularly some time down the line when a Trump-esque demagogue comes along using social justice rhetoric dumbed down to the lowest common denominator to get support. It's nothing sinister right now, just intellectual laziness, but in my eyes that attitude (that everyone you disagree with is only doing so out of bigotry) is something that could easily take a turn for the authoritarian in the hands of an opportunistic populist.

edited 22nd Jul '16 9:24:21 AM by CaptainCapsase

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131469: Jul 22nd 2016 at 9:18:43 AM

It certainly feeds into the liberatian and conservative mindset that behind every (social) liberal hides a repressive totalitarian.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#131470: Jul 22nd 2016 at 9:18:58 AM

@Cap Cap

I've been thinking the same for years. Knee-jerk accusations every time anything occurs lead to lazy thinking, lazy thinking leads to a lack of critical analysis, a lack of critical analysis leads to paralysis by Kafka.

Kafka never leads anywhere good.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#131471: Jul 22nd 2016 at 9:25:52 AM

[up][up][up]

It's already happened tons in fandom stuff. People using social justice as a bludgeon for personal headcanons, ships, and so on that actually have very little to do with it at all.

OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#131472: Jul 22nd 2016 at 9:33:59 AM

@Alley

Yep, Samus is a transgender, as an example. Obviously people who do this don't have the cachet of "authority", however it only takes one really charismatic person to find some authority and to have "extreme" ideas.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#131473: Jul 22nd 2016 at 9:34:17 AM

[up][up]is already happeing, part of Trump appeal of "speaking his mind" or "saying what it is" people seen to love the idea of just speaking whatever you fee like without regard of being smart or even correct.

edited 22nd Jul '16 9:34:42 AM by unknowing

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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#131474: Jul 22nd 2016 at 9:39:26 AM

I'm inclined to agree. Too many leftists call people bigots to avoid admitting their opponent's views might have some kind of nuance. To use an extreme example: "people only disagree with Obama because he's black". Mind you, many on the right forget that, just because they dislike Obama for reasons that have nothing to do with his race doesn't mean that white supremacists also dislike Obama because they're assholes. This has been critical to Trump's success-he's able to channel people's frustration with the abuse of "social justice" to hide the fact that he's actually a legitimate bigot.

Leviticus 19:34
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#131475: Jul 22nd 2016 at 9:42:34 AM

Really? Social liberals are secretly totalitarian? Because we don't think people should be allowed to be bigoted assholes towards minorities?

And pulling from specific fandoms from tumblr reeks of confirmation bias. You're picking a fraction of the users from one social media site, in order to prove your point.


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