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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
I can't imagine that johnny polls nearly well enough in any red/purple states to matter.
Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?Though in this case since it's courting people who would have otherwise voted Republican, it's more true then I generally consider it to be.
edited 22nd Jul '16 8:08:39 AM by sgamer82
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Not necessarily; if Trump loses because of Johnson spoiling the election and/or is very narrowly defeated, Trumpismo is going to haunt the party for years to come, and might prove fatal to efforts to reinvent the party into something compatible with the 21st century.
to be fair, a fair number of Libertarians crossed over to support Sanders after it became clear Rand Paul's campaign was dead in the water.
edited 22nd Jul '16 8:27:13 AM by CaptainCapsase
FiveThirtyEight had an article back on July 7th
that figured including 3rd parties in polls costed Clinton about 1 percentage point on average. The three big caveats are that this was before the major conventions, before Sanders formally endorsed, and the observed effect had pretty big variance between pollsters.
@Kostya: it's worth noting that, (from what I heard at least) Johnson supports universal basic income as a replacement for current welfare programs. That's a bizzare position, but I've been told it's not uncommon for libertarians these days. That plus the anti-war position are definitely matters on which many of Sanders' supporters would find common ground.
The libertarians environmental position is insane, and they're about as anti-Union as possible however, so I'm not rooting for them to supplant the GOP.
edited 22nd Jul '16 8:45:22 AM by CaptainCapsase
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You know, I am deeply worried that the growing habit among the left to short circuit meaningful debate by accusing the opposing side of racism, sexism, or homophobia is going to backfire spectacularly some time down the line when a Trump-esque demagogue comes along using social justice rhetoric dumbed down to the lowest common denominator to get support. It's nothing sinister right now, just intellectual laziness, but in my eyes that attitude (that everyone you disagree with is only doing so out of bigotry) is something that could easily take a turn for the authoritarian in the hands of an opportunistic populist.
edited 22nd Jul '16 9:24:21 AM by CaptainCapsase
I've been thinking the same for years. Knee-jerk accusations every time anything occurs lead to lazy thinking, lazy thinking leads to a lack of critical analysis, a lack of critical analysis leads to paralysis by Kafka.
Kafka never leads anywhere good.
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is already happeing, part of Trump appeal of "speaking his mind" or "saying what it is" people seen to love the idea of just speaking whatever you fee like without regard of being smart or even correct.
edited 22nd Jul '16 9:34:42 AM by unknowing
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I'm inclined to agree. Too many leftists call people bigots to avoid admitting their opponent's views might have some kind of nuance. To use an extreme example: "people only disagree with Obama because he's black". Mind you, many on the right forget that, just because they dislike Obama for reasons that have nothing to do with his race doesn't mean that white supremacists also dislike Obama because they're assholes. This has been critical to Trump's success-he's able to channel people's frustration with the abuse of "social justice" to hide the fact that he's actually a legitimate bigot.
Leviticus 19:34Really? Social liberals are secretly totalitarian? Because we don't think people should be allowed to be bigoted assholes towards minorities?
And pulling from specific fandoms from tumblr reeks of confirmation bias. You're picking a fraction of the users from one social media site, in order to prove your point.

The irony of that did cross my mind.