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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#131176: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:32:08 AM

I've lost a lot of good will for Noah's run due to him sort of perpetuating the "but BOTH sides are dysfunctional!" narrative, but he's right there.

NickTheSwing Since: Aug, 2009
#131177: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:32:21 AM

Delegates who tried to make one last push for Never Trump were apparently intimidated out of it, including people threatening to kill them, and / or send their hotel number and room to Trump supporters to "keep them in line or else".

Seems the Republican Higher Ups are acclimating remarkably well to the ideology at the root of the Trump Movement.

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#131178: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:36:26 AM

Emphasis mine.

Right now it's about 60:40 in favor of Clinton according to 538; polls right now are similar to '08 which is good on the surface, but polls in '08 also looked a lot like polls in '04, which is bad. If something really bad happens (economic crash or major terrorist attack), and/or if the GOP manages to get another new Clinton scandal into the public conscious like they did for John Kerry in '04, we might very well be looking at President Trump, God help us.
... OK, this is giving me some thoughts regarding the idea of applying Setting Update to the Neon Genesis Evangelion anime. What are the odds that Trump would end up being elected if the global disaster that is the Second Impact happened this September? Possibly with Hilary dying, whether by pure accident or some anti-Democrat mad(wo)man capitalizing on the chaos to kill "the she-devil that will bring ruin to us all"? Because President Trump really sounds like the kind of guy who could end up breaking the USA as a global superpower with his attempts to "make America great again", thus explaining why said country is clearly much less powerful as a polity than it used to be in the post-2I NGE world.

edited 20th Jul '16 10:38:40 AM by MarqFJA

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Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#131179: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:43:12 AM

Someone mentioned a scandal used to indict John Kerry in the public opinion. I'm curious- what was it? Im too young to remember that election

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#131180: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:45:37 AM

Someone mentioned a scandal used to indict John Kerry in the public opinion. I'm curious- what was it? Im too young to remember that election

I want to say adultery, but I wasn't paying close attention to politics then. Nor was I doing the bare bones skimming I do now

edited 20th Jul '16 10:46:36 AM by sgamer82

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#131181: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:47:41 AM

They basically lied and said that his war-hero past was a total fiction. They repeated it loudly and often enough that it stuck.

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#131182: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:47:54 AM

I've lost a lot of good will for Noah's run due to him sort of perpetuating the "but BOTH sides are dysfunctional!" narrative, but he's right there.

Mmm, he hits the Democrats from time to time, but he hits the Republicans a lot harder. When he covers the GOP, it's usually framed as, "Look what these assclowns are doing now." When he covers the Dems, he's a bit softer about it.

The worst I've seen him say about the Dems is criticizing Hillary Clinton for the FBI inspection disproving all her statements on the email controversy, and that was the opening act for the much harsher, "Donald Trump ruined his shot at riding the controversy by praising Saddam Hussein on the same f*cking day!"

edited 20th Jul '16 10:48:45 AM by TobiasDrake

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#131183: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:49:15 AM

One thing I noticed is that the Republicans aren't saying anything about Democrat policy. Like, at all. All of their focus is on attacking Clinton as a person. That's what makes it really obvious to me that they're full of hot air. If there were any legitimate attacks, they'd be talking about her healthcare suggestions or something other than "Crooked Hillary". It's really obvious that none of the big name Republicans actually know what she wants to do.

Granted, these are the same people who are actively working against 90% of the population in things like healthcare and gun control, so I don't think they actually know anything about what's going on.

edited 20th Jul '16 10:50:36 AM by Zendervai

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#131184: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:49:32 AM

[up][up][up][up] They got a rumor going that the circumstances under which he won his Purple Heart were largely made up, and portrayed him as a coward in what was supposed to be his finest moment. In an election focused on national security, this proved fatal to Kerry, and the tendency for "scandals" to emerge for democratic candidates around election time has since been nicknamed "Swiftboating" in recognition of that election.

edited 20th Jul '16 10:50:28 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#131185: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:50:25 AM

One thing I noticed is that the Republicans aren't saying anything about Democrat policy. Like, at all. All of their focus is on attacking Clinton as a person. That's what makes it really obvious to me that they're full of hot air. If there were any legitimate attacks, they'd be talking about her healthcare suggestions or something other than "Crooked Hillary". It's really obvious that none of the big name Republicans actually know what she wants to do.

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#131186: Jul 20th 2016 at 10:51:33 AM

[up] Plus the legitimate (in my eyes) policy based criticisms of Clinton all apply to the GOP in spades. Trump may not care about throwing stones in a glass house, but most other politicians do.

edited 20th Jul '16 10:52:59 AM by CaptainCapsase

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#131188: Jul 20th 2016 at 11:03:30 AM

[up] Criticism of Clinton for being too Hawkish, too pro-corporate, too-secretive, and so on apply to virtually all of the GOP to an equal or greater extent.

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#131189: Jul 20th 2016 at 11:03:54 AM

No, the GOP doesn't care that their economic platform makes no fucking sense because they're all too busy going insane over social issues and bigotry. Frankly, they haven't really cared about credible economics since the mid eighties, but this is the first election in which they aren't even bothering to pretend.

Supply side mumbo jumbo is catnip for the Wall Street crowd that imagines themselves to be masters of all universes, but the voters Trump's courting wouldn't understand a demand curve graph if someone printed it on the side of their Racist-O's.

edited 20th Jul '16 11:15:05 AM by Fighteer

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#131190: Jul 20th 2016 at 11:07:30 AM

I mean, the thing is that the GOP dislikes Hillary, but they dislike her for the exact opposite reasons that Bernie-or-Bust guys. Namely, they consider her too leftist economically, too socially liberal, and too pacifistic.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#131191: Jul 20th 2016 at 11:13:20 AM

Too bad in day and age, Ronald Reagan would be considered a socialist liberal compared to today's GOP.

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#131192: Jul 20th 2016 at 11:16:28 AM

Personally, I'm not overly fond of Hillary due to her stance on abortion and drug legalization-I also think her gun control policies are very poorly thought out (IE, trying to ban gun parts without even knowing what they are). This should be enough on its own to convince most Republicans to not want to vote for her. I mean, I am, but that's because hell has recently grown ice buds.

edited 20th Jul '16 11:17:52 AM by Protagonist506

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#131193: Jul 20th 2016 at 11:19:28 AM

[up][up] While that has surface truth, Reagan was the archetypal "dogwhistle" President. His calling out of "welfare queens" and "strapping young bucks" and his appeal to fear of blacks in getting the Brady bill passed were the call to arms of the modern naked racism of the GOP. Movement conservatism became mainstream during his administration and the restless Southern Democrats that Nixon teased into the party's camp became the foundation upon which its core voter appeal was based.

Sure, he was also the supply side voodoo god, kicking off the gutting of our economic stability mechanisms and getting the modern deficit engine in gear, but the appeal to racism was what would eventually give us our cartoonish orangutan in Cleveland. When modern Republicans fellate the corpse of Reagan, every redneck who keeps a pointy white hood and a collection of nooses in a trunk in their attic perks up, because they hear the call that's designed specifically for them.

Edited to add: Unfortunately, that's gotten kind of boring, as modern Republicans parade their zombie around in a circus sideshow sort of way: "Look at the distracting spectacle of us wanking ourselves silly about our demigod while we quietly steal all your money and give it to the rich blokes running the place." The audience noticed that, despite all the high-pitched whistles, the darkies and Mexicans and whatnot were still not getting hung like they were supposed to, nor were GOP voters getting rich for being good little peons.

Trump came out and said, "Hey, look, those guys over there, they didn't do what they promised. They're giving all your money to rich people while they pretend to care about hanging the darkies. Well, forget about all that: I'm a rich person with all of your money and I'm actually going to hang the darkies."

edited 20th Jul '16 12:38:12 PM by Fighteer

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#131194: Jul 20th 2016 at 1:31:50 PM

[up]Well put

Oh really when?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#131196: Jul 20th 2016 at 1:48:33 PM

Appeals court: Texas voter ID law discriminates; orders fix: http://bigstory.ap.org/a37d3a1563b4441caafdabf4a0e01282&utm_source=android_app&utm_medium=copy_to_clipboard&utm_campaign=share

From [up], emphasis mine.

If we are to believe the Trump campaign, the blame for one of the largest and most obvious cases of plagiarism in the history of American politics comes down to one woman who is hiding in the shadows.
Really...? One of the largest and most obvious? I'll give obvious, but largest? Really...? This seems way too minor to earn such a hyperbolic title.

edited 20th Jul '16 1:57:44 PM by sgamer82

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#131197: Jul 20th 2016 at 1:59:12 PM

Yeah, that may be exaggeration (not something the Indipendent shies away from). JFK's "Ask not what your country can do for you..." is apparently remarkably similar to a line given by a President whose name I've already forgotten in the early 1900s or 1910s.

The big takeaway though is "Trump campaign making up facts again"

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#131198: Jul 20th 2016 at 2:01:03 PM

That's a bit "conspiracy theory", especially since that article goes on to speculate that Meredith McIver is secretly Paul Manafort on no grounds other than that his last name starts with the letter M. That's the kind of logic you usually see in conspiracy theories.

Other news sites seem to be having no trouble finding out who Meredith McIver is. Though it's interesting to note that, according to the New York Times, her original speech was written by Matthew Scully and John McConnell. Then Melania got a hold of it and worked "with a person inside the Trump organization", who we can safely presume to be McIver, to change it up. The plagiarism was not in their original version, and was only added after Melania began her process of editing it.

McIver is unlikely to be a fake person, but there may be some shifting of blame happening here.

edited 20th Jul '16 2:03:03 PM by TobiasDrake

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#131199: Jul 20th 2016 at 2:02:57 PM

Makes you wonder if they just MacGyvered the name out of random Scrabble tiles or something

edited 20th Jul '16 2:20:57 PM by sgamer82

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#131200: Jul 20th 2016 at 2:10:05 PM

She's also credited as co-writer on Trump books going back to 2004, maybe further. She's a real person, people.

edited 20th Jul '16 2:10:41 PM by TobiasDrake

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