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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#131126: Jul 20th 2016 at 4:22:47 AM

The more I hear about Trump's plans for if he becomes President of the US, the more I question the sanity and morals of those who keep voting for him so enthusiastically.

He would ask Congress to pass laws that would make it easier to fire civil servants, just so Obama can't convert his political appointees to civil servants to make it harder for a Republican successor to fire them, and thus make it easier for Trump to purge the US Government of all Obama-loyalists.

He also wants to let Big Business directly meddle in the government by "let[ting] businesspeople serve in government part time without having to give up their jobs in the private sector".

Oh, and the article helpfully reminds us all that he wants to shut down the EPA and roll back several major eco-friendly policies.

Remind me why his voters think he's good for them?

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#131127: Jul 20th 2016 at 4:23:37 AM

Because Trump is going to purge this nation of anyone who isn't white. You've gotta realize that at this point we're not just dealing with some random whackjob, we've got a bonafide white ultranationalist movement in the United States and Trump is leading it.

edited 20th Jul '16 4:24:46 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131128: Jul 20th 2016 at 4:35:57 AM

There's also the people that are convinced Clinton is the devil.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#131129: Jul 20th 2016 at 4:37:52 AM

And accelerationists who want the political system to collapse. And at least one guy who wanted to see an assassination of a president in his lifetime.

All brands of crazy has come out during this campaign.

edited 20th Jul '16 4:38:17 AM by TerminusEst

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#131130: Jul 20th 2016 at 5:34:18 AM

Wether the threat is real or imagined is irrelevant. The logic of forcing people to marry within a certain group and forcing them to preserve a culture is what's the issue here.

I don't think any of the people you're talking about ever said anything about forcing people to marry for that. Like, obviously that's a concern when talking about this, but I don't know where you got the impression they were talking about anything except people consensually choosing to do so.

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#131131: Jul 20th 2016 at 5:37:19 AM

[up][up]Trump plays well with angry white men and white men are really angry this go around. Why is a really hard question to answer. Or at least there's so many different reasons that "typical trump supporter" probably isn't any good as a metric.

edited 20th Jul '16 5:37:46 AM by thatguythere47

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131132: Jul 20th 2016 at 5:41:47 AM

I do question why marrying in your own culture is so vital to maintaining it. You can find people outside your culture that are fine with the traditions too.

Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#131133: Jul 20th 2016 at 5:51:14 AM

Tim Kaine is the very definition of a ho-hum pick.

Agriculture secretary is out of left field. We should get Perez, he's the civil servant we need right now and a good way to stick it in Trump's racist eye.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131134: Jul 20th 2016 at 5:57:53 AM

Am I correct in thinking that Perez would be the first minority pick for VP?

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131135: Jul 20th 2016 at 6:02:12 AM

[up][up][up]When the traditions are a costly burden, though... For instance, who in their right mind would want to fast every day for a month. if they hadn't grown into it as "our thing"?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#131136: Jul 20th 2016 at 6:02:20 AM

If you're referring to ethnicity among the two major parties, I believe so. Joe Lieberman (Dem VP candidate in 2000) is Jewish.

The damned queen and the relentless knight.
Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#131137: Jul 20th 2016 at 6:20:52 AM

I don't think any of the people you're talking about ever said anything about forcing people to marry for that. Like, obviously that's a concern when talking about this, but I don't know where you got the impression they were talking about anything except people consensually choosing to do so.
If so, I misunderstood, sorry guys.

But the thing is, "keeping our genes pure" is discredited. So why should "keeping our memes pure" be accepted? I mean, sure people can decide to marry within their group to keep things "pure". But that's true for racists as well. Doesn't mean it's a healthy attitude. It implies that there is a "right" and "wrong" way of being a certain minority.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#131138: Jul 20th 2016 at 6:24:58 AM

Purging the civil service? Even middle management and the rank and file? That's fucking scary.

If Trump wins, democracy in the US is probably finished.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#131139: Jul 20th 2016 at 6:28:56 AM

Any position which is a political appointment is already subject to that. Those that are and aren't are determined by law. Sure the GOP could expand it, but it would be a massive cost and headache since there are frankly too many political appointees already that need pushed through the Senate (like every single ambassador, although that's an area where i agree they should be personally approved by the President).

thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#131140: Jul 20th 2016 at 6:48:27 AM

I was secretly hoping for bernie. I know making a grandpa your backup is probably not a good idea but im pretty sure Hillary is immortal.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#131141: Jul 20th 2016 at 6:55:35 AM

While she may not have done anything illegal or been convicted of anything, the fact is that she still outright lied about the emails and the usage of them.
My understanding of the situation is that Clinton didn't actually lie about anything. She was mistaken on some points, but she's never said anything that she knew to be false at the time. Her claim has always been that she never sent anything marked classified at the time through her private server — which is true, except for some things that were mistakenly marked classified when they contained no classified information. She also sent some things that was retroactively classified during the investigation, but wasn't marked classified at the time.

Don't get me wrong, it's not a good situation, but the main takeaway should be "government IT sucks and needs to be fixed", not "Hillary Clinton is the devil and can't be trusted with state secrets".

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131142: Jul 20th 2016 at 7:04:09 AM

Frankly, I'm amazed that urgents steps aren't taken to fix NSA's shit. They've got unlimited funds to spy on people, but can't get the Secretary Of State anything better than a crummy blackberry?!

edited 20th Jul '16 7:04:52 AM by TheHandle

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#131143: Jul 20th 2016 at 7:05:09 AM

That would require spending money and the Republicans can't have that.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#131144: Jul 20th 2016 at 7:08:37 AM

Popular wisdom is that using legacy systems makes hacking harder.

Same reason the control software for the USAF ICBM fleet is kept on five inch floppies.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#131145: Jul 20th 2016 at 7:08:50 AM

Polifact on the email. The FBI singled out 113 emails (out of thousands) and said she should have known better for at least some of them. Called it "extremely careless" but not enough to prossecute on.

Re: Blackberry - at the time, they were the only smart-device that supported end-to-end encryption (any data that comes and goes from it goes through an encrypted server connection) and they may still be. Obama on the Late Show the other week was talking about how he was finally allowed to use a smartphone...but it had nearly all the features that make smartphones attractive stripped out because security.

Funding questions aside, it takes a long time to vet programs and devices for the level of security demanded by government agencies.

edited 20th Jul '16 7:17:31 AM by Elle

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#131146: Jul 20th 2016 at 7:20:30 AM

Obama on the Late Show the other week was talking about how he was finally allowed to use a smartphone...but it had nearly all the features that make smartphones attractive stripped out because security.
Man, one more reason why being head of state/government is a lot less fun due to restricted liberties than being Joe Average, however counterintuitive it seems to said Joe Average.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#131148: Jul 20th 2016 at 7:30:45 AM

For all the worry, it's been quiet so far. The police have apparently been doing a fantastic job of letting protests happen without getting out of control and arrests have been in the single digits; they were planing for hundreds.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#131149: Jul 20th 2016 at 8:21:05 AM

I don't think any of the people you're talking about ever said anything about forcing people to marry for that. Like, obviously that's a concern when talking about this, but I don't know where you got the impression they were talking about anything except people consensually choosing to do so.

I was certainly talking about people being forced into it, if people choose to marry only within their cultural group that's their choice, I might think it's a bit silly but I'm not the relationship police.

Thing is there's a lot of cultural and societal pressure, including financial pressure of the risk of being disowned for daring to marry outside the group. In some South Asian cultures arranged marriages technically require consent but women are often pressured into them by their families regardless of what the women actually wants. Now I'd certainly hope that with Judaism it isn't that bad but the similarities set off red flags.

As for the "two wrongs make a right" argument, no, two wrongs don't make a right. The argument for cultural purity can be found in every group and it's just as bullshit in every group, even when it's coming from Welsh Nationalists who belive the lead of the Welsh Nationalist Party isn't Welsh enough because she (due to where in Wales she grew up) didn't learn Welsh before learning English.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#131150: Jul 20th 2016 at 8:27:33 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

One day this past May, Donald Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., reached out to a senior adviser to Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, who left the presidential race just a few weeks before. As a candidate, Kasich declared in March that Trump was “really not prepared to be president of the United States,” and the following month he took the highly unusual step of coordinating with his rival Senator Ted Cruz in an effort to deny Trump the nomination. But according to the Kasich adviser (who spoke only under the condition that he not be named), Donald Jr. wanted to make him an offer nonetheless: Did he have any interest in being the most powerful vice president in history?

When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy.

Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of?

“Making America great again” was the casual reply.

So basically, this degenerate wrinkled orange apricot shitstain wants the power and privilege of the presidency, without all the hard work that comes with it. And yet people still want this racist fuckwad to be President?

GTFO

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