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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#131051: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:22:29 PM

Internet, mostly.

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#131052: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:23:38 PM

[up][up][up][up]You do know that Ambar is Canadian, don't you Cap?

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#131053: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:23:58 PM

You know, treating people with contempt is not a good strategy to get them to vote for your candidate of choice.

And who pray tell am I holding in contempt? Or trying to convince to vote for my candidate of choice for that matter? I'm saying that the people who vote for Stein because "screw both parties" aren't liable admit afterwards that it was a mistake. To fall into the category I'm describing they have to already be unwilling to be convinced. Which makes your response rather inane.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131054: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:27:58 PM

[up][up] Yes, but America's position in the world makes it pretty much impossible for people to not have a position on our election, regardless of where in the world they live. Hence the relatively large amount of people from other countries in this thread.

[up] You were replying to a response which suggested that youth voters would categorically vote third party. That doesn't seem particularly likely in my view; certainly not in swing states.

edited 19th Jul '16 6:28:56 PM by CaptainCapsase

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#131055: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:28:26 PM

If they already think Hillary is just as bad as Trump, how would Trump winning convince them that she's not?

edited 19th Jul '16 6:30:22 PM by Clarste

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#131056: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:29:00 PM

the "Alt-Right" is a collectivist ideology that's essentially an anti-SJW. Basically, they consider the white race to be undergoing a subtle genocide through things like intermarriage and that the only way to stop it is for white people to give up their individual rights and to repel non-white influences from white society.

edited 19th Jul '16 6:29:13 PM by Protagonist506

Leviticus 19:34
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#131057: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:29:55 PM

Well that and people who oppose feminism and BLA because they think they're hypocrites because of the actions of their more extreme members. KYM is full of them.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#131058: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:32:04 PM

Gary Johnson on Trump. It's sad how sane he's sounding in comparison.

@Caspase

I don't think young people will vote Green en masse because they think both parties are equally bad. I do, however, think that those that do choose to vote that way, are unlikely to concede after the fact that they screwed up. Saying "the parties are the same" requires that you already be pretty resistant to information.

Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#131059: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:33:53 PM

[up][up][up][up] Well, they won't need any convincing when they are dead in a nuclear apocalypse.

edited 19th Jul '16 6:37:14 PM by Bat178

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#131060: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:34:51 PM

[up]As bad as a Trump presidency would be, it's far more likely to end in a military coup than it is in a nuclear apocalypse. If people as sociopathic as Stalin can handle nukes, then Trump can.

edited 19th Jul '16 6:35:12 PM by Protagonist506

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131061: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:36:32 PM

[up][up][up] Or just behind the times; "the parties are the same" is more or less the default state of affairs in American politics (in part due to the fact that historically both parties generally have had both progressive and reactionary wings) if you look at the long term and focus on how the country is governed when the different parties are in power. That stopped being the case relatively recently; the GOP's use of bigoted and superstitious rhetoric to attract racist and religious voters backfired quite spectacularly.

edited 19th Jul '16 6:39:57 PM by CaptainCapsase

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#131062: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:39:57 PM

What are you defining as relatively recently?

Because I'd say that the parties have had diametrically opposed views since at least 1968 (probably earlier too- it's just that what those views were kind of flipped).

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#131063: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:40:05 PM

[up][up][up]Stalin was many things but he wasn't stupid. I don't know I can say the same about Trump.

edited 19th Jul '16 6:40:13 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#131064: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:40:15 PM

[up][up] That's relatively recently when talking about a historical point of view.

[up] 'A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent, appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective.'

We'll only be able to tell which is the case with hindsight.

edited 19th Jul '16 6:45:51 PM by CaptainCapsase

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131065: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:42:03 PM

Basically, they consider the white race to be undergoing a subtle genocide through things like intermarriage and that the only way to stop it is for white people to give up their individual rights and to repel non-white influences from white society.

Sounds familiar.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#131066: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:43:25 PM

How did I know that was going to be about the Jews?

Like does every post of yours in reference to Judaism have to be about the most fringe opinion some Jewish person expressed?

edited 19th Jul '16 6:45:43 PM by Hodor2

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A procrastination in of itself
#131067: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:53:10 PM

Is it fringe? Now I'm an outsider, but the way I see American Jews portrayed in the media the idea that Jews should marry Jews is pretty mainstream. Is that portrayal inaccurate? Or am I seeing things?

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#131068: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:56:32 PM

It's mainstream, but my impression is that Handle is implicitly saying that Jews are racist/paranoid/etc. in a way equivalent to the alt-right. Because he's citing that in relation to the alt-right distaste for/advocacy of violence against non-whites.

I probably shouldn't push the issue but I reacted because of my impression from other posts by Handle that he takes the kind of paranoia/extremism that's common of (right wing) Israelis and assumes it's true of all Jews.

[down] I'm in line with the idea that because of how the Holocaust decimated the Jewish people, it's important to marry within the religion and/or preserve religious and cultural practices. Calling intermarriage/assimilation the "Silent Holocaust" is a horrific cheapening of the Holocaust though.

edited 19th Jul '16 7:02:20 PM by Hodor2

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#131069: Jul 19th 2016 at 6:58:27 PM

Speaking as a so-called victim of the "silent holocaust", it's a load of shit. I appreciate my Jewish heritage, and my British heritage, and my Estonian heritage. I'm happy I've got multiple cultures to draw from.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#131070: Jul 19th 2016 at 7:01:50 PM

To be fair, right-wing Israelis outnumber left-wing ones, and about half of the world's jews are Israeli. That's a bit larger than "fringe".

However, I see your point. I feel exactly the same way about, say, MEMRI. Or how Obama feels about FOX News. "Why do you always choose to represent the assholes?"

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#131071: Jul 19th 2016 at 7:02:07 PM

I mostly agreed with "the parties are mostly the same" in the early Bush era, pre Tea Party. I don't believe that to be currently true.

Silsaw: I think the marriage thing is a far-Orthodox thing but not in the more permissive branches or the secular Jews.

edited 19th Jul '16 7:04:15 PM by Elle

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#131072: Jul 19th 2016 at 7:11:27 PM

The two most common complaints about our two major parties is 1) "They're really just the same!" and 2) "They're too polarized!"

I lean closer to the latter position currently, though I would have said that both statements are false 4 years ago.

Leviticus 19:34
Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#131073: Jul 19th 2016 at 7:11:53 PM

I'm in line with the idea that because of how the Holocaust decimated the Jewish people, it's important to marry within the religion and/or preserve religious and cultural practices.
Sorry, no. Putting the conservation of a culture or religion above an individuals (or more accurately in practice: womens) choice to love and marry whom they want is abhorrent. That's reducing people to tools.

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#131074: Jul 19th 2016 at 7:12:03 PM

It ridiculous that people are saying that now, of all times, yes. I don't understand people who equate Clinton with Trump. Speaking of, what do you think of people who abstain from voting because they 'cannot in good conscious' vote for Clinton against Trump?

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#131075: Jul 19th 2016 at 7:20:34 PM

I understand, since while am planning to vote for her, I actually really don't like Hillary for several reasons (for example, she's pro-choice and I consider myself to have strong anti-abortion sentiments even by Republican standards). However, Hillary is "in-context bad", where as Trump is an Out Of Context Threat. As bad as Hillary is, she's still "part of the system", so I'm willing to regard her as a Worthy Opponent-something I'm unwilling to do for Trump for various reasons.

So, my response would be: Who would you rather have in office: Nixon, or Mussolini?

edited 19th Jul '16 7:21:04 PM by Protagonist506

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