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#130551: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:30:52 PM

To Europe and the world that was being controlled by Europe at the time, of course one takes precedence over the other.
The point is, the countries who suffered the Revolution and it's fall out, are the ones more fond of it. It's the Anglo-Saxons who view it as something predominantly bad.

The Brits and Americans see themselves as the inventors and propagators of freedom, equality and democracy. When it was the Revolution who laid the groundwork for that in Europe.

edited 15th Jul '16 2:33:52 PM by Antiteilchen

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#130552: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:34:30 PM

And from the American point of view, at least in terms of how public school history frames it, the French Revolution ultimately failed because the first republic failed and they went back to an absolute monarch. They got to a republic eventually but the revolution isn't given credit for it. Wrong? Maybe.

Anyway, the debate came about because we were arguing about the definition of terrorism. I don't think there's anything left there though.

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#130553: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:36:26 PM

The French Revolution also legalised homosexuality across a big chunk of Europe, which is something to be thankful for.

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OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#130554: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:36:28 PM

US Policy on describing Terror/Terrorism/Terroristic Activity is whack.

I'm not honestly sure what else can be said on that.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#130555: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:38:53 PM

Exactly how on-topic is the French Revolution?

SeptimusHeap MOD from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#130557: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:40:45 PM

Indeed.

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#130558: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:44:27 PM

You honestly are unaware of the mobs of civilians randomly hurting and harming others for perceived slights or threats in the French Revolution?

Yes. I thought it was all executions by guillotine, not Torches and Pitchforks. Although that does make a lot of sense.

Back on topic: Another shooting, this time the video comes from a police body cam. When will it stop?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#130559: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:48:28 PM

I believe that was posted already. Still pretty fucked up.

OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#130560: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:49:36 PM

@Handle Charming.

Politically a lot of change for police has to come from a much lower-than-federal level. City/Municipality has to increase funding for it, which requires a change in the body politic to provide for motivation to stop shooting what the News Media determines to either be the next Saint or a Thug.

The issue is more complex than "ending" it.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#130561: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:50:38 PM

Not to start up anymore arguments with anyone, but on the whole "white males are really the persecuted ones" thing, I think this video from a pretty popular You Tuber, for better or worse, illustrates the thinking perfectly:

It's pretty toxic.

edited 15th Jul '16 2:59:48 PM by LSBK

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130562: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:57:17 PM

[up]That's a little skin crawling.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#130563: Jul 15th 2016 at 2:59:19 PM

[up][up][up]The Vegas PD reforms were spurred by a Justice Department inquiry into their high fatality rate. If we had a functioning legislature I suspect outlining standards for training and greasing the wheels to get it funded would be a start.

edited 15th Jul '16 2:59:31 PM by Elle

OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#130564: Jul 15th 2016 at 3:02:35 PM

@Elle

It certainly couldn't hurt, I agree. I wish the first part was present though. The US Congress is so entrenched though, which is why I went the lower-end route. A lot of people could be elected on a platform of "Funding and training our first responders", I think. Enough local politicians make it their "token issue" and you'd end up with the same thing, just locally. Good ideas could spread upwards from there, making it more palatable for the brawling idiots in the Rotunda to stop quarreling long enough to listen to the masses.

Either way works, not sure which would be more likely to succeed.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#130566: Jul 15th 2016 at 4:57:58 PM

And in global news, apparently the Turkish military has attempted a coup - the Turkish National Intelligence Unit claims it's already settled, but we all know how that song and dance can go (lookin' at you, Baghdad Bob).

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#130567: Jul 15th 2016 at 4:59:18 PM

You're really disappointing me Obama. We should be taking our chance to kill Erdogan.

Oh really when?
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130568: Jul 15th 2016 at 5:00:34 PM

[up]No we shouldn't. Like it or not Erdogan was democratically elected. The US will make neither make friends nor stabilize the region by supporting a coup d'etat.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#130569: Jul 15th 2016 at 5:02:04 PM

I'd take endorsements and rejections with a grain of salt until we know more; presumably the state department has more access to info than we have but if he came out for it and it failed, awkward diplomatic situation between "allies".

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Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#130570: Jul 15th 2016 at 5:02:40 PM

Erdogan is a threat to NATO, the Kurds, and has proven himself to be completely untrustworthy. He's been sending oil, weapons, and even direct air support to ISIS during this entire conflict.

Even ignoring the moral obligation that I think we have to dispose of him backing the coup and putting in a friendly government would be a huge boon for our efforts in the area.

Oh really when?
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#130571: Jul 15th 2016 at 5:05:18 PM

We don't even know the nature of the people responsible for the coup at the moment, too much conflicting rumor. They claim to be pro-democracy but no one on the outside can really say yet.

edited 15th Jul '16 5:06:01 PM by Elle

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#130572: Jul 15th 2016 at 5:07:02 PM

Let's keep this discussion in its thread, alright?

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#130573: Jul 15th 2016 at 5:20:38 PM

Back on topic: Another shooting, this time the video comes from a police body cam. When will it stop?

Dylan North was shot on June 25th. It's in the news right now because we just got the body cam footage, which does a pretty good job of exonerating the officers involved. It's a pretty clear case of Suicide by Cop.

Which may not be apparent in the heavily edited and captioned form that link provides. Try this one, it has the complete video.

edited 15th Jul '16 5:21:49 PM by TobiasDrake

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#130574: Jul 15th 2016 at 5:24:03 PM

[up]

For the initial two shots, I'd be inclined to agree.

However, the last two shots were both delivered when he was laying prone on his back, the officers not really making any moves to get closer, and simply shouting out warnings to get his hands up... right after he'd been shot and was quite obviously holding his newly-acquired wound when the shotgun was fired, and likely was when the third pistol was fired.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
thatguythere47 Since: Jul, 2010
#130575: Jul 15th 2016 at 5:35:40 PM

Once you've started shooting at someone you generally don't stop until they're very dead. Although I'm reminded of the sammy yatim case where a cop was found not guilty of murder for shooting sam dead but was found guilty of attempted murder for unleashing a second volley at this recently deceased body. It was a weird case.

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