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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#130451: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:14:54 AM

Question: will Trump's VP pick result in a spike in his favorability in polls? I'm assuming yes.

Also, will Bernie's endorsement of Hillary actually change much? It seems like a lot of his more rabid supporters have ditched them both, while all the others were already switching over to Hillary.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130452: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:14:59 AM

You may not think you're talking down but that's not how it feels to the person being so addressed, even if you claim to come from a similar background.

And...? I like how you suggest I'm claiming to be from a similar background as if I might be lying about it. Look around the site. I've said all this stuff about myself before. Not to mention that this site is like crack to people on the spectrum.

It is a sad reality that some people are going to get offended no matter how you phrase things, and there are only so many ways that things can be explained to a person. Now the person in question has been banned—and has made it clear via PM they are never coming back—so I'm not seeing much purpose in continuing to discuss this. You want to set up a thread to discuss how to talk about subjects like this, go right ahead.

Question: will Trump's VP pick result in a spike in his favorability in polls? I'm assuming yes.

Also, will Bernie's endorsement of Hillary actually change much? It seems like a lot of his more rabid supporters have ditched them both, while all the others were already switching over to Hillary.

The hardcore Sanders supporters are mostly made up of people who probably wouldn't vote anyway. It's down to less than eight percent. His endorsement doesn't necessarily mean much therefore in and of itself—though if he's going to go out and campaign for her that's great; it's always good to have another surrogate, and a former rival can make for a very good one if the cards are played right.

As for Trump, I expect there will be a spike and then things will even out.

edited 15th Jul '16 10:17:08 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#130453: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:15:58 AM

[up][up] I think it's pretty unlikely that Pence will help Trump much, if at all. Bernie's explicit endorsement of Hillary is also unlikely to sway many minds, but for a different reason: most people who were persuadable in this sense already support her.

[up] Enough of this. Don't make me thump you too, Ambar.

edited 15th Jul '16 10:16:17 AM by Fighteer

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130454: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:17:30 AM

[up]Message received.

I expect Pence will help Trump over the next week or so. Some of the Republican conservatives who are jumpy about Trump's lack of Christian credentials or actual political experience my become more enthusiastic about him, and get behind the ticket more strongly. In the end though it'll just hurt him even more with the gay crowd than it already is.

edited 15th Jul '16 10:18:43 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#130455: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:17:51 AM

I think it's pretty unlikely that Pence will help Trump much, if at all. Bernie's explicit endorsement of Hillary is also unlikely to sway many minds, but for a different reason: most people who were persuadable in this sense already support her.
So the next big change should come with Clinton's VP pick?

edited 15th Jul '16 10:18:48 AM by sgamer82

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130456: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:19:08 AM

The next big change could come with the next stupid thing Trump says, or the next tragedy he tries to exploit, but yes that's a reasonable thing to keep an eye out for.

edited 15th Jul '16 10:20:06 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#130457: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:20:11 AM

Apparently, a lot of Trump's own supporters aren't receiving Pence well.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#130458: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:20:15 AM

[up][up] Next predictable change, then? Since Trump can shove his foot in his mouth at any given time.

[up] Wonder how it would look of Trump changed his VP pick after announcing Pence.

edited 15th Jul '16 10:21:24 AM by sgamer82

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#130460: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:21:12 AM

Will this really turn the gay crowd away anymore than they already are? At this point any gay people that still supported Trump would do so regardless of his actions.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#130461: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:21:28 AM

Smokey said this had nothing to do with American politics, but I disagree; it has everything to do, in my eyes with what could become the future of American politics if steps to address the issue are not taken; there is, in my view, a growing aversion to collectivism in the eyes of many young Americans, in many cases among people who have views that are otherwise distinctly left leaning. Because the social justice movement, like the conventional left, is heavily collectivist in its mindset, many people with perfectly reasonableness progressive views find themselves as strange bedfellows with the alt-right, and other reactionary groups. This is quite visible in any online "discussion" of feminism; of those opposed, there is clearly a split between the bigotry spewing alt-right and anti-collectivist left insisting people have no control over the actions of others.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#130462: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:21:28 AM

[up][up][up] Wait, I thought Trump had his foot in his mouth 24/7. Isn't that why he's constantly talking out of his arse?

edited 15th Jul '16 10:22:28 AM by DrunkenNordmann

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130463: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:22:26 AM

@Kostya

It'll ensure that more of them come out to vote. Pence being picked makes Trump not just a blustering buffoon but an actual threat to the civil rights of the gay community. I expect that those who were less than enthused about Clinton, or considering staying home simply because "I work that day" or what have you, will be more than happy to come out to vote against Pence.

edited 15th Jul '16 10:22:43 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#130464: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:23:43 AM

[up][up] Good point. Maybe all the stupid stuff he says comes when he removes the foot to get air. He's definitely the type to be better with a foot in his mouth then vice versa.

edited 15th Jul '16 10:23:54 AM by sgamer82

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130465: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:24:39 AM

Am I the only one who finds it funny that Donald "I'm Really Rich" Trump has chosen as his running mate a man whose last name means "penny"?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#130466: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:25:25 AM

[up] and he's a Bad Penny at that, from all over been seeing in this thread

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130467: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:27:44 AM

[up]A completely awful homophobic penny. Which I know isn't particularly punny, but I didn't have a cute way to say it.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#130468: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:30:26 AM

[up] Folks here have said he's an Evangelical, as well. That biases me against him on principle, since I regard that type as the very last that should possess any real power. Stuff like the Transgender bathroom fiascoes and the act Pence is connected to only confirm that bias

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#130469: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:34:47 AM

@Caprice: I thought all millennia's were godless car sharing commie collectivists.[lol]

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#130470: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:39:34 AM

Would it be hyperbole to say that the First Debate between Clinton and Trump may be the most important debate since Nixon v Kennedy?

Cause I have feeling that the election will be decided that night.

New Survey coming this weekend!
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#130471: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:42:06 AM

I wouldn't say that-Trump's set the bar so low that MSM will talk about him "holding his own" if he doesn't vomit out his internal organs.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#130472: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:42:13 AM

[up][up][up] That applies to the millenial left, in a sense. The millenial right....Well look at the shitposting on any youtube video related to feminism and pick out the people who don't seem to be raging bigots but still have bizarre views on social justice activism. What concerns me is that such sentiments, which are not all that disimilar to early fascism, will crystallize into something far more dangerous.

edited 15th Jul '16 10:43:36 AM by CaptainCapsase

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#130473: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:52:05 AM

The discussion that was going on was not related to politics, Capsace. Sure, it could potentially be about politics in the future. But as it is now, it wasn't related to the US government.

majoraoftime (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130474: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:53:40 AM

This was a few pages back but I just wanted to correct this, because I see it all the time: the "academic" or "sociological" definition of racism isn't power+prejudice. I don't know where it came from – presumably someone in the social justice community made it up and it spread – but it isn't true.

edited 15th Jul '16 10:54:12 AM by majoraoftime

ThePest179 Since: Jul, 2015
#130475: Jul 15th 2016 at 10:55:17 AM

[up][up][up] Like what? Like Elliot Rodger?

edited 15th Jul '16 10:55:48 AM by ThePest179


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