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Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#130276: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:12:08 PM

[up]x13: W-wait....I'm not the only one being paid off by Hillary? I thought I was special... sad

Leviticus 19:34
OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#130277: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:13:15 PM

Which is why I don't want an isolationist president.

Feeding those assholes (the "woe is me, we're powerful and wealthy" type) is counterproductive. We're a part of the world (says some of the Elves) we should act like it.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#130278: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:15:42 PM

[up][up] The Kremlin payroll is much better than Clinton's, just ask Shinra. tongue

[up] Oh I agree, if nothing else the US going isolationist has historically lead to the rest of the world going bat shit crazy, as the UK has just proved we really can't be trusted over in Europe right now.

edited 14th Jul '16 4:16:54 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130279: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:17:32 PM

@Handle

He's implying Sci-Fi Slasher is a troll.

@Protagonist

According to one of the guys in the Gundam thread I'm also paid by Sunrise to defend Mobile Suit Gundam SEED from criticism. Because there's no way I could like a show he doesn't, right?

On a more serious note, I always find the accusations of someone being a shill to be a fascinating study in irrational thinking. "This person does not think like I do. Therefore they must be getting paid to think that way."

General rule of thumb—unless an account posts nowhere but this forum, and about literally nothing but how bad one candidate/how great another candidate is, they probably aren't a shill. Real shills don't have time to have actual discussions.

There's lots of people in this thread, and others, who I disagree with vehemently (I'm not naming names obviously; you know who you are). But I'd never accuse of being shills. I might think you're misinformed, or flat out wrong, but I'd never question whether you actually hold your convictions because that would just be silly.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#130280: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:20:07 PM

@Elle: I have read several such studies, and while you may accuse me of moving the goalposts, I do not think altruistic behavior as demonstrated in these studies and self interest driven models of human behavior are mutually exclusive-from an evolutionary psychology perspective it makes perfect sense-and also believe that the "selfish" of that self interest tends to become more pronounced in large numbers.

To bring matters back towards the topic of US politics, my focus on the misdeeds of the US is no different than focusing on racism by whites against nonwhites in a white majority country rather than the converse; the overwhelming power of the United States makes it capable of far more harm than any other nation or non-state actor.

edited 14th Jul '16 4:21:03 PM by CaptainCapsase

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#130281: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:20:13 PM

[up][up][up]I'm sorry for the UK. I really am.

edited 14th Jul '16 4:20:39 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#130282: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:20:54 PM

Alright. Here's a theory I have on this election:

Trump was actually a plant to make sure that Hillary won by being a terrible candidate. Meanwhile, Sanders was a plant from the Trump campaign to disrupt Hillary so Trump would stand a chance. Meanwhile, Hillary was a plant by the Sanders campaign because she isn't very popular and might make Sanders look better by comparison.

There's three people in on this conspiracy. Which means...

HALF LIFE 3 CONFIRMED! When the president gives their inauguration speech, they'll announce Half Life 3, and then resign. Gabe Newell will step in and assume the presidency!

Leviticus 19:34
flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#130283: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:22:26 PM

[up][up]UK chose to do that, I see no need to feel sympathy for it.

Non Indicative Username
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#130284: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:22:29 PM

[up][up]FACEPALM.

[up]A narrow majority of voters in the UK chose that. The other half of the country must pay for their idiocy.

edited 14th Jul '16 4:23:30 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130285: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:23:02 PM

[up][up][up]That's about as sane as some of the stuff I've seen floating around the Internet over the last year or so.

edited 14th Jul '16 4:23:16 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#130286: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:23:52 PM

The misdeeds of the US come on the heels, often, of misdeeds by other nations. Continuing down the turtle pile, you just end up finding more of the shelled-bastards.

Right now the focus should be on correcting the misdirection of US political "thought leaders", such as they are. Once corporate interests stop funding campaigns, and old money candidates stop engaging in rampant incest and nepotism, it'll be easier for the might of the US to be shepherded in a direction more befitting a heavyweight.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#130287: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:24:11 PM

It feels like the latest chapter of Miracleman.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#130288: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:24:31 PM

[up][up][up][up]Welcome to democracy.

[down]Suuuure.

edited 14th Jul '16 4:30:09 PM by flameboy21th

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#130289: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:25:59 PM

[up]Democracy with a misinformed public and a broken incentive system that has allowed parties to ignore their voters' voices for decades.

Contrast with the Swiss, who do Democracy mostly right. They have gotten stupid about migration too, but they kept it under control.

edited 14th Jul '16 4:26:35 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130290: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:27:57 PM

old money candidates stop engaging in rampant incest and nepotism

Must. Resist. Game of Thrones reference.

OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#130291: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:31:16 PM

@Ambar

I want nothing to do with the mental image of two Bushes banging. It has been expunged, Fahrenheit 451 style.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#130292: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:34:51 PM

Also you generally still feel bad for the fucked over minority in a democracy. Likewise the minority after an election don't shut up and do nothing till the next vote.

Also democracy my ass, we just swapped PM without a vote, we're not that committed to democracy. Also we made our version of Trump Foreign Secretary

That and it's hard to say the vote was democratic when so many people were lied to and conned, the entire referendum is an election fraud investigation waiting to happen (which our goverment is actually also currently subject to, which if it goes thought might invalidate the government's majority and throw into question all the things it did with that majority (including calling the referendum)).

edited 14th Jul '16 4:35:48 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#130293: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:35:00 PM

[up][up]Maybe that's why there was the exclamation point after Jeb!

edited 14th Jul '16 4:35:09 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#130294: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:48:54 PM

[up]Democracy with a misinformed public and a broken incentive system that has allowed parties to ignore their voters' voices for decades.

Contrast with the Swiss, who do Democracy mostly right. They have gotten stupid about migration too, but they kept it under control.

Democracy isn't bad, it's just hard.

@Ambar Sonof Deshar

No, basic psychology actually. People blame those who are present and visible for their problems. Roll tanks into a town and you make yourself the oppressor, come to remove the government and impose your own. People will unite against that. Bomb the town though, and you are a faceless catastrophe they can blame on their local rulers.
Sorry for the late reply but I always thought such campaigns also soured the populace on the actual attacker? Like, terrorists recruit from those who lost people to drone strikes and the German WWII raids of London didn't do much either. Is it really such a fool proof method?

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#130295: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:52:14 PM

I never made ludicrous claims along the lines of you being paid, Ambar, and if you had actually read my post, you would know that I wasn't pissed at you because you don't conform to my beliefs. I'm pissed because you keep beating a dead horse. We get it, he wasn't able to do shit; the reality has sunk in. It would be nice if you didn't tar the entire Sanders base according to your mindset; rubbing it in the face of people doesn't really make you that many friends or acquaintances.

Also, I never said that my vote would magically change everything. If you had actually bothered to read it, you would know that all I was trying to say was that you envisioning all of Sanders' voters as armchair warriors was completely wrong. Did you not see this (tongue)?

Of course, my rebuttal of your points is just going to be seen as trolling by people like Silas while your own snide responses will simply be reprimanded for "feeding the troll." Yeah, 'cause disagreeing with somebody is "trolling." Amazing environment we have in this thread.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#130296: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:52:37 PM

[up][up] No, it's not; it tends to inspire revolution, but it's just as likely to put a deranged demagogue in power as it is to have a favorable outcome, perhaps even more so.

edited 14th Jul '16 4:54:08 PM by CaptainCapsase

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#130297: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:54:51 PM

Disagreeing with someone isn't trolling, personally insulting them by calling them "little more than a Clinton shill" however would fall under most definitions of trolling. Or being a jackass.

Oh and did I miss the reaction to Trump's VP pick?

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#130298: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:56:26 PM

Oh yeah, it's Pence.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-vice-presidential-choice/

Understandable. It's someone the GOP wouldn't mind having in power, and the fact of the matter is, if Trump is elected, there's a very good chance his VP will be running the show since Trump doesn't appear to care about the actual job of governing.

edited 14th Jul '16 4:59:25 PM by CaptainCapsase

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#130299: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:57:51 PM

Trump's holding off officially announcing it due to the terrorist attack in Nice.

I swear, if these keep happening and we get President Trump, I don't know what I'll do.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#130300: Jul 14th 2016 at 4:59:28 PM

Is there an appropriate thread to talk about the incident in Nice? I don't know if it'd be on topic to this one.

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