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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#130076: Jul 14th 2016 at 2:02:07 AM

[up]Trump? He promised to "take them back" from "immigrants" instead.

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#130079: Jul 14th 2016 at 5:04:03 AM

“This administration has forbidden us to describe our enemies properly and clearly: they are Radical Islamists,” Flynn writes. “They are not alone, and are allied with countries and groups who, though not religious fanatics, share their hatred of the West, particularly the United States and Israel. Those allies include North Korea, Russia, China, Cuba, and Venezuela.”

Yet you spend most of your time parroting whatever Putin wants to you say on Russian state news networks.

God I hate this guy.

Oh really when?
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#130080: Jul 14th 2016 at 5:12:05 AM

It's interesting to juxtapose the two parties' pundits. On the one side, we have messages about national unity, economic enfranchisement, and so on. On the other, "De Ebil Mooslims Are Komink To Keel Us!"

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#130081: Jul 14th 2016 at 5:19:43 AM

Yes. We will kill you all. That is what we are focused on. Then we'll convert you. Posthumously, so that there's no "My name is Kunta Kinte" nonsense. Then we'll put three golden balls on top of every cupola and every skyscraper. They make for great lighting rots, especially the divine sort of bolts. How will we do that, you ask? One does simply walk into a gun shop and buy the necessary equipment. Why bother with explosives when all you need is gun, gun, gun is all you need.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#130082: Jul 14th 2016 at 5:41:24 AM

[up]x3

Precisely. His been advocating cooperation between Russia and the US to blow up Raqqa sky high. And everything else really. He doesn't care what is done, as long as it kills every radical on the planet.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
OblongReality Unwanted Anachronism. Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Unwanted Anachronism.
#130083: Jul 14th 2016 at 6:53:49 AM

[up]

Which simply drips with irony.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#130084: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:22:58 AM

Jill Stein announced she'll give Edward Snowden a Cabinet Position.

I swear, she is the Left's answer to Ben Carson.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#130085: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:23:51 AM

She is aware he's got a cushy office in the Kremlin and has properly defected at this point right?

Oh really when?
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#130086: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:24:24 AM

And to think I thought she was reasonably sane. If the Greens want to become the Tea Party of the left, they're going to find themselves in the time-out corner for all eternity.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#130087: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:26:31 AM

[up][up]What other options did he have?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#130088: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:27:28 AM

To restrict his leaks to the Patriot Act and NSA spying and not hand over all our secrets and operations playbooks to the Russians?

Oh really when?
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#130089: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:27:45 AM

Am I also the only one who thinks her relentless badgering of Sanders and her whole "join the Greens" is just kinda...desperate and creepy? It's like me saying that I'll dump my girlfriend if Emma Stone agrees to go out with me. IE: something that has never shown any hint of actually happening.

[up][up] Stay behind and face an actual trial? To go through proper channels as a Whistleblower? To narrowly limit his leaks to any legal abuses he had actually witnessed?

The NSA stuff with Snowden? At best it's debatable. When he starts flat out offering foreign surveillance info to other countries like, oh, say, China, in return for safe haven after revealing he did not plan this stuff out well at all, then he's crossed a line I have no idea how he gets defended on.

And then he goes and basically lets Putin puff himself up in a ridiculously awful 'interview' that was more a propaganda piece in a country with far worse journalistic freedom than the US.

edited 14th Jul '16 7:29:56 AM by Lightysnake

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#130090: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:29:52 AM

Wait, I thought the Greens were saying Hillary should have been jailed for leaking government secrets. Now they turn around and offer Snowden a cabinet job?

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#130091: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:31:07 AM

I've never paid attention to Stein until this election. She honestly just comes across as someone who wants the green party to become a left wing tea party.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#130092: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:31:27 AM

I certainly wouldn't mind Snowden and Manning included in Obama's end-of-term pardons if he does any but I'm not entirely sure he doesn't see them as guilty.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#130093: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:32:51 AM

At this point Snowden needs to go on trial for treason. He's defected to the Russians and has basically handed them the CIA on a silver platter.

That's just unforgivable, needed whistleblowing about the NSA be damned.

Oh really when?
carbon-mantis Collector Of Fine Oddities from Trumpland Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to my murderer
Collector Of Fine Oddities
#130094: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:33:15 AM

[up][up][up]Among the few old Greens I've known she's rather disliked for being "too moderate" even for them. A lot of the older ones were pushing for a green/environmentalist variant of the Anarcho-Libertarian's dreamed world social collapse.

edited 14th Jul '16 7:35:40 AM by carbon-mantis

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#130095: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:33:49 AM

That sort of trial, if conducted under Hillary's term, would just make her look bad.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#130096: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:33:57 AM

Why shouldn't he? They absolutely are guilty.

Snowden stole classified documents, dumped them without knowing what was actually in them and tries to deflect whenever he's asked about "hey, why did you jeopardize secret operations overseas that had fuck all to do with domestic surveillance?" Yes, I'm sorry, the US spies on China, Russia and friendly nations. Is that unconstitutional or against the law? And if not, then what the heck gives Ed Snowden the right to decide "I personally do not like this" and jeopardize foreign operations?

And yes, we spy on Al-Qaeda and hack their stuff. I'm all torn up about that

edited 14th Jul '16 7:35:30 AM by Lightysnake

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#130097: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:34:19 AM

I would be in favor of extending an olive branch to Russia though; while the current crisis was initiated by Russia, things have been building since the 90's. It takes two to tango in international relationships, and while that's true of both escalation and deescalation, the US has much less at stake than Russia does, putting it in a much better position to start on the path towards peace than Russia.

[up] Perhaps because he has no other choice; Russia would dump him in a river if he wasn't playing along, and he'd spend the rest of his days in a hole where the sun doesn't shine if the US got its hands on him.

For all the talk about whistleblower protection, people who have tried to come out about these sorts of things in the past have universally had their lives destroyed.

edited 14th Jul '16 7:38:06 AM by CaptainCapsase

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#130098: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:35:05 AM

I'm hoping he pardons Chelsea Manning. I doubt it'll happen, but I hope so.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#130099: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:36:08 AM

[up][up] Russia would be free to knock off the nonsense they've been pulling before that.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#130100: Jul 14th 2016 at 7:37:59 AM

The Russians started it but I bet it wouldn't have spiraled into the trainwreck it is now if we had been more careful in who we funded to fight Assad.

Oh really when?

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