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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130051: Jul 13th 2016 at 4:59:05 PM

[up]I'm a white college Democrat myself, though to be honest, I'm only a Democrat because I hate the GOP's guts along with the far-right wingers, and even then I still don't identify too strongly with the Dem's or any political party. I guess I'm really only a Dem by default.tongue But yeah, I'm still voting for Hilary, even if only because if Hilary loses, Trump wins. (I'm still waiting for Hilary to say 'I'm not a crook!'. And she'd still be a better President than Trump.)

edited 13th Jul '16 8:11:11 PM by kkhohoho

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#130052: Jul 13th 2016 at 7:45:24 PM

Trump to announce his VP pick Friday at 11am EDT in Manhatten.

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#130053: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:09:31 PM

Watch it be Ted Cruz or Michele Bachmann, for Maximum Crazy.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#130054: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:20:09 PM

Well the original Fuhrer had a crazy Deputy so it would be keeping with the theme.tongue

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#130055: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:21:58 PM

Here's the situation: Manafort and his staff want Trump to pick Pence, a fairly unpopular Indiana governor who will nevertheless help with the evangelicals who would otherwise hesitate.

Trump's kids (along with Jared Kushner, Ivanka's husband) want him to pick Newt Gingrich, a man who at this point needs no introduction (no matter how badly we want to forget).

Trump himself is a bit hard to understand. Some reports say he really wants to pick Christie, while others say he leans towards Gingrich or Sessions.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#130056: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:25:29 PM

[up] Newt might get him backing from the GOP establishment considering Trump's VP would almost certainly be the one running the show in the event he was elected.

edited 13th Jul '16 8:36:25 PM by CaptainCapsase

Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#130057: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:34:04 PM

[up]I'd bet on Gingrich for the same reason, since there are no doubt Republicans that are dying for somebody that can form complete sentences to be in there pulling the strings. Assuming he can work around the massive ego, of course.

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130058: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:45:22 PM

[up][up][up]

Trump's kids (along with Jared Kushner, Ivanka's husband) want him to pick Newt Gingrich, a man who at this point needs no introduction—

Uh, actually, I think he does. Because I have no clue who this man is.

edited 13th Jul '16 8:45:35 PM by kkhohoho

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#130059: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:47:54 PM

Former Speaker of the House when Hillary's husband was President. Seen as an intellectual of the right-to wit, "a stupid person's idea of a smart person". Was the guy trying really hard to get Bill impeached. Cheated on his dying wife.

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Cape Malleum Majorem
#130060: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:48:26 PM

[up][up]I envy your ignorance.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#130061: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:53:41 PM

[up][up]...Oh.

Frick him them.

edited 13th Jul '16 8:54:09 PM by kkhohoho

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#130062: Jul 13th 2016 at 8:56:09 PM

This is the first thing that comes to mind when it comes to that man.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#130063: Jul 13th 2016 at 9:01:55 PM

I think he actually left two of his wives when he learned they were sick, in addition to a third divorce. And that's not getting into the witch hunts and general corruption.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#130064: Jul 13th 2016 at 9:29:33 PM

Clinton invokes Abraham Lincoln, making her own "House Divided" speech in the same building Lincoln gave the original 158 years ago. She spoke on the topics of racism, unity, Trump, and her plans for her presidency. I've clipped out and highlighted some of the most interesting parts.

Nearly 160 years ago, Abraham Lincoln gave a speech in this statehouse that marked a turning point in the political life of our nation.

...

So on June 16, 1858, when Mr. Lincoln kicked off his campaign for the United States Senate, he delivered an address on how slavery was tearing our country apart. And that it must go. Some thought that he ended up losing that Senate race because of that speech. But then he won the Presidency. And some thought it was because of that speech.

President Lincoln led America during the most challenging period in our nation’s history. He defended our Union, our Constitution, and the ideal of a nation ‘conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.’ His legacy included laws and amendments that enshrined those values for future generations. They protect and guide us still.

I’m here today, in this place, because the words Lincoln spoke all those years ago still hold resonance for us now.

...

The challenges we face today do not approach those of Lincoln’s time. Not even close. And we should be very clear about that.

But recent events have left people across America asking hard questions about whether we are still a house divided.

Despite our best efforts and highest hopes, America’s long struggle with race is far from finished. In just the past week, we saw black men killed by police and five police officers killed by a sniper targeting white police. There is too much violence and hate in our country. Too little trust and common ground. It can feel impossible to have the conversations we need to have, to fix what’s broken.

And despite being the richest country on earth, we have too much economic inequality – and that also undermines the foundation of our democracy.

Lincoln understood that threat, too. He deeply believed everyone deserved – in his words – ‘a fair chance in the race of life.’ He saw it as a defining feature of the United States, and believed it was vital that hard-working people be free to enjoy the fruits of their own labor. It’s one of the reasons he was so strongly against slavery – because it violated that entire notion. And as President, he took pains to use the tools of government to create more economic opportunity for Americans at every level of society. So, too, must we fight inequality and create opportunity in our time – not just for some Americans, but for all.

...

I’m also here as a candidate for President who is deeply concerned about the divisions that still hold our people apart and our nation back. I believe that our future peace and prosperity depends on whether we meet this moment with honesty and courage.

That means taking a hard look at our laws and our attitudes. It means embracing policies that promote justice for all people, and standing firm against any attempt to roll back the clock on the rights and opportunities that so many sacrificed so much to secure.

And all of that starts with doing a better job of listening to each other.

We need to listen to the families whose loved ones have been killed in police incidents...

And yes we do need to listen to those who say ‘Black Lives Matter.’ Too many black Americans, especially young men, feel like their lives are disposable...

We need to acknowledge the five Latinos who also lost their lives in police incidents last week. Their stories didn’t get national media coverage, but their families and communities are mourning too.

And at the same time, we need to listen to the dedicated, principled police officers working hard every day to rebuild trust with the communities they serve and protect... They were protecting a peaceful march. They were people cloaked in authority making sure their fellow citizens could exercise their right to protest authority. And there’s nothing more vital to our democracy than that. And they gave their lives for it.

...

We also need to listen to the families crying out for relief from gun violence. President Obama’s trip to Dallas yesterday was the 11th time he has spoken to a city in mourning after a mass shooting.

...

We do need criminal justice reform to save lives and to make sure all Americans are treated as equals in rights and dignity. We do need to support our police departments that are trying to get it right, and honor the men and women who protect us every day. We do need to do more to stop gun violence. We may disagree about how to do these things, but surely we can all agree with those basic premises. And I hope and pray the past week has showed us how true they are.

Now, these are the issues on many of our minds right now. And if we stop there, that would leave us with plenty of work to do.

So I wish I could say that was everything that we must address.

But these events are taking place against a much broader backdrop of fear and anxiety. So I think we have to face all of it.

We do need to make sure our economy works for everyone, not just those at the top. The changes that have roiled our economy over the past few decades are not just numbers on a page that economists study. They are real forces that families are dealing with up close and personal every day.

...

These economic disruptions have stripped too many people of their sense of security and dignity. And that can have devastating consequences. We have to ask ourselves, why are drug addiction and suicide on the rise in parts of our country? That’s not just about economics. It’s about something deeper, that is connected to economics: a sense of dislocation, even a pessimism about whether America still holds anything for them or cares about them at all.

That’s why I’ve pledged that in my first 100 days as President, we will make the biggest investment in new, good-paying jobs since World War II. We need more jobs you can support a family on, especially in places that have been left out and left behind from Coal Country to Indian Country to inner cities, to every place that’s been hollowed out when a factory closed or a mine shut down because everyone in America deserves that ‘fair chance in the race of life’ that President Lincoln described.

Now, I realize that our politics have contributed to the sense of division many Americans feel right now. And as someone in the middle of a hotly fought political campaign, I cannot stand here and claim that my words and actions haven’t sometimes fueled the partisanship that often stands in the way of progress. So I recognize I have to do better too.

I’m running for President with the belief that we need to face up to these challenges and fix them in order to become a stronger, fairer country. And in times like these, we need a President who can help pull us together, not split us apart.

And that is why I believe Donald Trump is so dangerous.

His campaign is as divisive as any we have seen in our lifetimes. It is built on stoking mistrust and pitting American against American. It’s there in everything he says and everything he promises to do as President.

It’s there in how he wants to ban Muslims from coming to the United States, and toyed with creating a database to track Muslims in America. It’s there in the way he demeans women, in his promotion of an anti-Semitic image pushed by neo-Nazis, and in the months that he spent trying to discredit the citizenship and legitimacy of our first black President. Last night in an interview, he said that he understands systemic bias against black people because – and I quote – ‘even against me, the system is rigged’ – unquote. He went on to say, ‘I can relate to it very much myself.’ Even this – the killing of people – is somehow all about him.

It’s there in his proposals on immigration. He says he’ll round up 11 million people and kick them out. He’s actually described a special deportation force that would go around America, pulling people out of their homes and workplaces, pulling children out of school. I got a letter from a mother the other day who said her adopted son asked her with a shaky voice if President Trump would send him back to Ethiopia. When kids are scared by political candidates and policy debates, it’s a sign something has gone badly wrong.

...

And he’s gone even further even than that. He has taken aim at some of our most cherished democratic values and institutions. He wants to revoke the citizenship of 4 million Americans born in this country to immigrant parents, and eliminate the bedrock principle enshrined in the 14th Amendment – that if you’re born in America, you’re a citizen of America. He said that a distinguished American, born in Indiana, a judge can’t be trusted to do his job because his parents were Mexican; he called him a ‘Mexican judge’ over and over again. He knew that the judge had been born in Indiana. But it was a cynical, calculated attempt to fan the flames of racial division. And designed to undermine people’s faith in our judicial system. Why would someone running for President want to do that?

And even that’s not all. He says, as Commander-in-Chief, he would order our troops to commit war crimes, and insisted they would follow his orders, even though that goes against decades of military training and the military code. He’s banished members of the press who have criticized him – is there any doubt he would do the same as President? Imagine if he had not just Twitter and cable news to go after his critics and opponents, but also the IRS – or for that matter, our entire military. Given what we have seen and heard, do any of us think he’d be restrained?

And he has shown contempt for and ignorance of our Constitution. Last week, he met with House Republicans in Washington to try to assuage their serious concerns about him. One member asked whether he’d protect Article I, which defines the separation of powers between Congress and the executive branch. Here’s the answer he reportedly gave: ‘I want to protect Article One, Article Two, Article Twelve.’ Well here’s the thing – there is no Article Twelve – not even close. That was a serious question, from an elected representative, and he either didn’t care enough to answer it seriously – or he didn’t know where to begin.

...

Because Donald Trump’s campaign adds up to an ugly, dangerous message to America. A message that you should be afraid – afraid of people whose ethnicity is different, or religious faith is different, or who were born in a different country or hold different political beliefs.

Make no mistake – there are things to fear in this world, and we need to be clear-eyed about them. But we are each other’s countrymen and women. We share this miraculous country. This land and its heritage is yours, mine and everyone’s – willing to pledge allegiance and understand the solemn responsibilities of American citizenship. That’s what ‘indivisible’ means – that big word that every grade school student knows – that we’re in this together, even if that’s not always easy.

So let’s think better of each other. Let’s hold together in the face of our challenges – not turn on each other or tear each other down.

Let’s put ourselves in the shoes of police officers, kissing their kids and spouses goodbye every day and heading off to a dangerous job we need them to do.

Let’s put ourselves in the shoes of African Americans and Latinos, and try as best we can to imagine what it would be like if we had to have ‘the talk’ with our kids about how carefully they need to act because the slightest wrong move could get them hurt or killed.

And yes, let’s put ourselves in the shoes of Donald Trump’s supporters. We may disagree on the causes and the solutions to the challenges we face – but I believe like anyone else, they’re trying to figure out their place in a fast-changing America. They want to know how to make a good living and how to give their kids better futures and opportunities. That’s why we’ve got to reclaim the promise of America for all our people – no matter who they vote for.

And let’s be more than allies to each other. Let’s take on each other’s struggles as our own.

...

This is an idea that goes back to the founding of America, when 13 separate colonies found a way – despite their differences – to join together as one nation. They knew they were not stronger on their own, and neither are we.

...

And sometimes we have to balance competing values like freedom and order, justice and security, these are complementary values of American life. That isn’t easy. Previous generations have had to overcome terrible challenges. And no one more so than Abraham Lincoln. But in the end, if we do the work, we will cease to be divided. We, in fact, will be indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

And we will remain – in Lincoln’s words – the last, best hope of earth.”

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#130065: Jul 13th 2016 at 9:30:10 PM

[awesome]

Oh really when?
Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#130067: Jul 13th 2016 at 9:51:41 PM

[up][up] She also said she saw Hamilton three times and mentioned Washington's tagline, "History has its eyes on you."

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#130068: Jul 13th 2016 at 9:58:33 PM

She likes to go see Broadway shows-my mom was at a performance of Avenue Q, and the Clintons were in the audience.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#130069: Jul 13th 2016 at 10:48:10 PM

She's also a fellow spice enthusiast, which is 40% of why I trust her. Spice girls have to stick together.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#130070: Jul 13th 2016 at 11:34:09 PM

[up]I'm gone for a few hours and you're already talking about spice girls?

On a side note, The Spice must flow!

Leviticus 19:34
Demonic_Braeburn Yankee Doodle Dandy from Defective California Since: Jan, 2016
Yankee Doodle Dandy
#130071: Jul 13th 2016 at 11:45:13 PM

Christie would be Trump's worst choice. He's deeply unpopular and adds nothing to the ticket.

Pence and Sessions are liked by evangelicals, and Gingrich knows his way around Capitol Hill.

Christie is useless.

Possible VP choices Newt Gingrich and Jeff Sessions head to Indiana.

Any group who acts like morons ironically will eventually find itself swamped by morons who think themselves to be in good company.
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#130072: Jul 13th 2016 at 11:48:04 PM

All news networks and video viewing apps owned by Disney (including ESPN, for some reason) will air an hour long town hall meeting about race hosted by Obama at 8 pm EDT tonight.

edited 13th Jul '16 11:48:32 PM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#130074: Jul 14th 2016 at 12:45:21 AM

That’s why I’ve pledged that in my first 100 days as President, we will make the biggest investment in new, good-paying jobs since World War II.

Is that sound fiscal policy and stimulus planning I smell? In my 2016? Dear god did I need this.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#130075: Jul 14th 2016 at 1:03:02 AM

Has there ever been a Presidential candidate who didn't promise to create new, good-paying jobs, though?


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