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Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#129626: Jul 11th 2016 at 2:05:22 PM

Hawaii was a straight-up coup, wealthy white pineapple planters came in and then invited in the Marines to overthrow the last queen by force. Of all the states in the union, it probably has more of a claim to separatism than any other (since Texas voted itself in). Texas was the better case of sending in migrants who then agitated for independence and later let themselves join the country.

Crimea's a much more complicated case than that, like if we had Louisiana join with Texas before Texas seceded and then decided we wanted it back.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#129627: Jul 11th 2016 at 2:08:01 PM

These shootings are gonna keep happening. Things have finally snapped.

This is gonna be one important year. The years ahead are gonna be one big acid test for the US and hell even the West in general.

edited 11th Jul '16 2:09:41 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#129628: Jul 11th 2016 at 2:14:54 PM

Reminder: No ID has been released for the shooter yet that I can tell.

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#129629: Jul 11th 2016 at 2:17:36 PM

A certain quantity of these kinds of events (killings of police and/or judicial personnel) is noise that happens regularly and should not be confused for a pattern of increasing retributive violence.

edited 11th Jul '16 2:17:57 PM by Fighteer

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#129630: Jul 11th 2016 at 2:20:22 PM

But people are going to say it is purely because of the timing.

My money is on someone going postal, quite frankly.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#129631: Jul 11th 2016 at 3:38:21 PM

given it happened in a courthouse, I think that's quite likely.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#129632: Jul 11th 2016 at 3:39:33 PM

So the GOP platform has been partially drafted, and among the typical stuff (no gay marriage, more transgender bathroom bills, etc.) is one highlight - they want to teach the Bible as part of American History.

Shit, the only Christian denomination that has a 100% origin within the US is the Mormons, and we remember how various people in the GOP reacted to the prospect of Romney becoming President.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#129633: Jul 11th 2016 at 3:47:13 PM

[up]To be fair, we still have 'One Nation Under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance. I guess the GOP just wants to make sure everyone got the memo.tongue

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#129634: Jul 11th 2016 at 3:49:51 PM

We only put that in to stick it to the commies in the 60s. Same with putting the Lord on the money.

Oh really when?
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#129635: Jul 11th 2016 at 3:51:01 PM

Will we be teaching the Earth Lodge religion as well? It's more American than Christianity is.

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#129637: Jul 11th 2016 at 4:09:05 PM

GOP is completely nuts, more news coming at 8.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#129638: Jul 11th 2016 at 4:37:14 PM

So Hillary lied a whole fucking lot.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#129639: Jul 11th 2016 at 4:38:59 PM

Can you summarize that video? Apparently Canadians aren't allowed to watch it.

Oissu!
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#129640: Jul 11th 2016 at 4:45:06 PM

Trevor Noah starts off by contrasting statements from Hillary back in March 2015 and statements from the FBI guy this July 5. She said one thing, cut to the guy saying a conclusion that proves Hil lied. Over and over again. Noah suggests that Trump had a great opportunity to capitalize on Hillary's mistakes. Instead, Trump praises Saddam for being a strongman. We are then treated to Trump praising other undemocratic pricks. Noah jokingly suggests we shouldn't have this election and just keep Obama by default

edited 11th Jul '16 4:45:22 PM by TheHandle

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ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#129641: Jul 11th 2016 at 4:50:59 PM

Here's the Rawstory version - CNN reported on it as well, but not really trying to underscore the batshit-insane proposals.

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#129642: Jul 11th 2016 at 4:54:07 PM

I think its safe to say that the GOP has lost its right to be called right-wing, they are far-right to the core. They deserve the same contempt as their European counterparts (FN in France, BNP/UKIP in the UK, Af D in Germany, etc).

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Galadriel Since: Feb, 2015
#129643: Jul 11th 2016 at 5:39:32 PM

It's less than clear what is meant by "teaching the Bible in Amaerican history". There are legitimate reasons why the Bible is relevant to American history - many pivotal figures in American history were motivated by the Bible, Christianity, and there interpretation of it, and understanding the passages of the Bible and aspects of Christian belief that motivated them is fairly integral to understanding US history. You can't understand the Abolotionist movement, or Soujourner Truth, or the Second Great Awakening, or Dr. King, without some understanding of the Bible and Christianity, any more than you can properly understand the American Revolution and the Founding Fathers without some knowledge of Locke and Montesquieu.

Given the Reppublicans' track record and current behaviour, though, it's very understandable, and probably justified, for people to draw negative conclusions about what that piece of the party platform means.

[up][up][up] I'm confident that a large part of Obama's rising approval ratings come from people comparing him favourably with his prospective successors.

edited 11th Jul '16 5:42:07 PM by Galadriel

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#129644: Jul 11th 2016 at 5:44:00 PM

It's probably another scheme to teach creationism instead of evolution. Only this time they're trying to force it into history classes instead of science labs.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#129646: Jul 11th 2016 at 6:19:40 PM

[up][up][up]The major problem legally is that it's a huge violation of the Establishment Clause to put it in public schooling unless they also teach the books of the other major world religions, like the Koran.

Though, if more people actually read the Bible they'd realize just how much sex, blood and gore were in it or that...sorry, I don't mean this as anti-Semetic, modern Judiasim is a separate matter ...the ancient Israelites could be as cruel, dictatorial and bloodthirsty as a number of their other ancient counterparts.

edited 11th Jul '16 6:20:11 PM by Elle

Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#129647: Jul 11th 2016 at 6:31:30 PM

Yeah, teaching the Bible should not be in American history classes. You can say that "Insert random historical figure here" was motivated by this or that in the Bible, but the Bible as a whole is not actually part of American History. It's Middle Eastern history, if anything.

[up] Teach Song of Solomon! That would get the Bible banned really fast.

I did realize something recently. There really is a group of white people in the US who have a history of being oppressed and driven out, multiple times. The Mormons. But, here's the thing, they don't constantly cry about persecution, and they're pretty much the only people on the right who are trying to address the root of things like poverty and homelessness in any major way.

They put much of the Religious Right to shame.

edited 11th Jul '16 6:31:58 PM by Zendervai

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#129648: Jul 11th 2016 at 6:34:12 PM

[up]x4 Sort of. Rather than creationism I would guess the agenda is the promotion of the idea of America being founded as a "Christian nation".

edited 11th Jul '16 6:35:38 PM by tricksterson

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#129649: Jul 11th 2016 at 6:34:32 PM

I mean, a Comparative Religion course isn't a bad idea for an Elective, but good luck get that past the conservatives.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#129650: Jul 11th 2016 at 6:39:14 PM

I can understand teaching about religion in history classes to an extent. One year my teacher had us do a project where we chose a religion, researched it, and then presented it. It was fun, and renewed my interest in religions from around the world.

But this isn't about teaching students about religions, it's about making every school into a christian shool.


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