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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
To be fair, that's also how we get out of at least some of our problems. We couldn't have stopped Hitler if we weren't willing to team up with Stalin.
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Baron wasn't faring well in polls against the Republican nominee Todd Young.
However, Bayh seems poised to blow Young out of the water.
Additionally it seems to be a move to inject some enthusiasm back into the ticket since Governor candidate John Gregg's "Not Pence" campaign strategy seems to be in trouble with Pence being tapped for Trump's VP.
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Sure, we could. It would have just taken longer and would probably be significantly more horrible.
But also remember that after stopping Hitler, we marched straight into fifty years of horror as the world sat in trepidation, wondering whether it would be us or the Soviets who pulled the trigger and murdered the Earth.
The Cold War is the ur-example of "Yesterday's strange bedfellows are tomorrow's horrible new crisis." The dictators we prop up and then have to overthrow afterwards are just following in Stalin's footsteps.
edited 11th Jul '16 11:24:56 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So, comedian Jim Jeffries is making headlines for his political commentary regarding Trump during his "Freedumb" special on Netflix. And I gotta admit, the excerpt from it (seen here
) is pretty right on the nose in regards to radicalization and how counterproductive it is to view all Muslims as terrorists-in-waiting.
Yeah, it's the Then Let Me Be Evil trope as applied to reality.
edited 11th Jul '16 11:45:43 AM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Yeah, it's a basic paradox of prejudice: acting as if all members of a group are potential X's makes it more likely for them to choose to become X out of resentment. It's great if your agenda is to generate scapegoats to rile your constituents up against, though.
edited 11th Jul '16 11:39:39 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Hitler v. Stalin was admittedly much more "the fate of the world truly at stake in wartime" circumstance where the one's I'm thinking about are the Cold War ones. Iran. Iraq. Afghanastan. Central and South America.
Also think the Obama administration half-assed Syria and that might have created more problems than if we'd thrown our full weight behind the rebels...allowing for the fact there might be internal politics I don't know enough about since so much of that region is tied up in "the Americans want to control everything" paranoia.
The Syrian rebels, of which you'd have to declare which particular brand you're speaking of, are almost entirely composed of disparate factions of people with a wide array of motivations. Very, very, precious few of them have the "best interests" of anyone other than their particular clan/tribe/sports team at heart. Backing any single one of them could very easily alienate seven others.
Syria, like many other nations in that area, is a cluster created by the Cold War.
The fundamental paradox of Syria is that there aren't very many "conventional good guys". There are plenty of folks who just want peace/to be able to live without violence and there are folks who want to oust Assad. Sometimes those groups overlap, but often they don't.
edited 11th Jul '16 12:08:51 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Oh no, definitely not. Just guys backed by one side and guys backed by another. And civilians who either don't care either way or just want to live their lives.
edited 11th Jul '16 12:10:13 PM by PhiSat
Oissu!There were conventional good guys in Syria, but Assad shot them all while the international community was dithering worrying about the Islamists Assad had let out of jail. Which was Assad's entire reason for letting the Islamists out, though he might not have needed to do that if he'd just trusted Putin to protect him.
Well the Kurds are still around and have build up an alliance of non-Kurds that's working with them.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran![]()
The Kurds aren't exactly saints; they have insurgent movements in other nations, like Turkey. It's difficult for our armchair generals to understand that every single faction with the ability and/or motivation to take up arms in that region has a beef with at least one other faction that we like and/or an alliance with a faction that is extremely antagonistic to our interests; and these beefs are cultural and of long standing.
Cockroaches like him have enormous resources of ingenuity when it comes to staying alive. Russia isn't going to shoot him and dump him in a river; they need him in power. Plus, it's certain that he's got precautions against exactly that event.
edited 11th Jul '16 12:35:13 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Different Kurds has insurgency movements in Turkey, the Iraqi lot are basically their own state and the Syrian lot seem to keep screaming "what the hell guys?!" whenever their brethren in Turkey start blowing shit up.
Now the Syrian Kurds aren't saints, there have been a few reports of at least threats of war crimes. But I'd hardly say the issue the Kurds have with Turkey is a reason to dislike them, the Turkish goverment is thin skinned, prone to angry outbursts, and is helping ISIS either though wilful incompetence or actual malice. The Turkish goverment can go join Pakistan in the "why are we allied to you nuts again?" corner.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Yeah. Even if the DNC went with Sanders because Clinton was indicted - which wouldn't even be necessary, as others have noted - that would just mean that Trump would almost certainly win the White House. In such a universe, he would do a lot of praising towards Hillary, talking up her credentials and her policies and her abilities, and then turn around and go, "She was the best the Democrats had to offer. THE BEST. And she was a criminal! If the best Democrat is a liar and a fraud, what can we expect from the guy who lost to her?"
Despite what some of his fans may have believed, there was never going to be a version of this election in which Hillary getting indicted over the email controversy resulted in a President Sanders.
Ugh, don't give the GOP ideas. ~.~
Oh god, he's perfect in all the wrong ways. His crazy matches Trump's crazy.
You know that one movie, uh, "Every Movie The President Ever Appears In"? You know that crazy military yahoo who's like, "These reasonable responses are bullshit! We need to shove nukes up the conflict's ass and rocket it into space! That's the only way to keep America safe from magic alien jihadist turbo-Hitlers!" That's Flynn. Every version of this character is Michael Flynn.
edited 11th Jul '16 10:48:16 AM by TobiasDrake
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