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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#129401: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:36:37 PM

So basically you're telling me I have to consider myself a marxist because... i vote in public elections? Really?!

I genuinely don't even know how to respond to that.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129402: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:37:24 PM

This whole thing is getting No True Scotsman. If someone doesn't self-identify as part of a group that doesn't have rigidly established criteria boundaries in the first place, then you can't force them to or tell them that they're wrong.

It's like with religious affiliations. It's like trying to persuade a Muslim that they're really a Christian because both groups worship the same Abrahamic God or that all three are Jews because they're both technically descended from the religion of the Old Testament.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#129403: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:38:37 PM

I think this conversation should end before somebody gets offended and hollers for a mod.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#129404: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:38:40 PM

[up][up][up] That's not what I'm trying to tell you. What I am attempting to explain is that the philosophical basis of modern feminism is fundamentally rooted in Marxist class dynamics. You can call yourself whatever you want.

[up] Yes, I suppose this belongs in the philosophy thread, or general politics.

edited 8th Jul '16 2:41:49 PM by CaptainCapsase

Ssj3Gojira Arashi Shigehito from The Event Horizon Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Arashi Shigehito
#129405: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:39:23 PM

If there's one thing I like about Christian/Jewish religion, it's that the angels are basically Eldritch Abominations.

Let's see if you can get past my Beelzemon. Mephiles, WARP SHINKA!
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#129406: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:42:43 PM

Politics.....anyone....anyone....

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129407: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:43:24 PM

"Modern" feminism is not a monolith. Feminism exists in a ton of forms. Some explicitly Marxist, some Marxist inspired or adjacent, some actively anti-Marxist, some based on concepts that Marxism may have made a priority or codified into a particular form but long predated it by at least a century. You're trying to argue that "modern" feminism is a monophyly, when it's more like a broad polyphyly.

edited 8th Jul '16 2:47:40 PM by AlleyOop

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#129408: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:43:44 PM

[up][up] political philosophy is still politicial, though it's not necessarily American.

edited 8th Jul '16 2:44:13 PM by CaptainCapsase

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#129409: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:45:42 PM

[up]Then use the general politics thread. We're getting off topic.

ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#129410: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:50:34 PM

OK. Politics!

Apparently, Trump is drastically cutting down his media appearances.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#129411: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:53:17 PM

We may have just entered a Bizarro World, as Newt Gingrich has recently stated that "If you are a normal white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America... [and you] instinctively underestimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk". He even went so far as to point out that, in spite of advances made during his own lifetime, there's a long ways to go yet when it comes to addressing matters of racial disparity.

This is the same guy that called Obama the "food stamp President".

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#129412: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:54:51 PM

At the end of The Communist Manifesto Marx outright states that the confrontation between the Elites and the Proletariat will be violent, but since the proletariat are the ones who support the Elites and because there way more proletariat than the Elites, the proletariat will win.

Marx was very clear that a violent revolution would be needed to bring his vision of Communism into fruition.

And certain Feminist ideologies have elements of the Marxist ideology, but as a whole the initial momentum gained by feminists began with the right to vote and representation movements that preceded Marx works.

[down]No, it wasn't but it was his most famous work and it became a guideline for many parties everywhere. Even if he wrote another books on the subject, he established that his vision of Communism would have a violent revolution on the Communist Manifesto. Even with The Capital and his books over the economy published, they don't matter at all when it comes to the Marxist idea of Communism, because the Manifesto was the one responsible for setting the guideline on how to reach Communism.

And then you have the Anti-Semitic "The Jewish Question" book written by Marx, as he saw the Jews as the living embodiment of Capitalism. I'd hardly call Marx someone virtuous or peaceful given the things he wrote.

edited 8th Jul '16 3:09:56 PM by AngelusNox

Inter arma enim silent leges
ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#129413: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:55:10 PM

Yeeeeeah, he flip-flopped on that stance within the day. He accused Obama of encouraging Dallas, apparently.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#129414: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:55:21 PM

[up][up] You do realize that the communist manifesto wasn't the only thing Marx wrote in his life, not by a long shot.

edited 8th Jul '16 2:56:39 PM by CaptainCapsase

Izeinsummer Since: Jun, 2013
#129415: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:55:56 PM

...He's trying to guarantee a defeat, isn't he?

Theory; Trump only ran at all as a pr stunt meant to support his (largely publicity-centered) business. Then he succeeded way past his own expectations, and now he can't back down, so he's just flat out trying to make sure he doesn't win.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Shameful Display
#129416: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:56:11 PM

[up] In fairness the Food stamp thing seemed to me more about him making the economy so shitty that everyone had to go on food stamps. His most tone deaf moment though was proposing low incomes students work a janitors at their own schools. Pity he was the only one with a good Space policy.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#129417: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:58:53 PM

A page or so back, someone mentioned something that I thought I'd expand on:

A lot of white conservative people I talk to down here in the South place the blame for racial tension on non-white people. They view them as being the antagonists who are pushing an agenda and agitating the political situation, when they ought to just be quiet and stay where they are.

This is a major component of a lot of southern politics, so that's not a surprise. It's one of those 'maintain the white power structure' things that others aren't aware they're backing up.

Left overs from the civil rights era, primarily.

I think the KKK is going to have a rally in a city near me this month. Dallas is only going to inflame those lunatics. I fear for the safety of people living there.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#129418: Jul 8th 2016 at 3:00:15 PM

I have some suspicion that Trump never really intended to get as far as he had, though I doubt that Trump would scuttle his campaign at this point. Otherwise, he wouldn't be declaring a willingness to go third party should the GOP refuse to back him.

Leviticus 19:34
Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#129419: Jul 8th 2016 at 3:02:23 PM

If the GOP refuses to back him, it would destroy them.

They'd lose the whole south at this point.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#129420: Jul 8th 2016 at 9:27:01 PM

Obama's on the Tonight Show currently. Being extremely diplomatic about current politics, generally thinks Bernie's primary challenge is healthy for the Dems, is "worried" about the Republicans in the sense of hoping the current upheaval will force them to re-focus as a center-right party.

Also reminds me that whatever I might think of him on a policy or leadership level, strip away the politics and he seems a fundamentally decent person.

FieldMarshalFry Field Marshal of Cracked from World Internet War 1 Since: Oct, 2015 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Field Marshal of Cracked
#129421: Jul 9th 2016 at 4:54:01 AM

a few pages back there was a discussion on what political direction the United States leans internationally, well I would like to add in the opinion of one of Britain's most respected journalists and the most sued man in British legal history

edited 9th Jul '16 4:54:14 AM by FieldMarshalFry

advancing the front into TV Tropes
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#129422: Jul 9th 2016 at 5:17:22 AM

So a woman in Yuma County, AZ was shot by police, and people are up in arms over it (and/or the "lack of coverage" compared to Alton Sterling and Philando Castile), but according to officers, she attacked them with a knife almost immediately after opening the door. Didn't take long for people to go "What, they couldn't disarm a woman with a knife?", which is sexist as all hell by diminishing the damage a woman could do with a weapon.

edited 9th Jul '16 5:18:44 AM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#129423: Jul 9th 2016 at 5:46:16 AM

Do the officers have body cams?

On the other hand, I'd have trouble not opening fire if someone charged me with a knife in close quarters, regardless of age, ethnicity or gender.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#129424: Jul 9th 2016 at 6:08:36 AM

[up]

I hope so, and I'll agree with the latter sentiment. Rochester NY had a similar (and possibly more tragic) situation similar to that occur about a decade ago - an officer responded to a call from a mother concerned about her daughter's depression (a classmate of hers had been killed in the crossfire of a drive-by shooting not long before), and when he got there, the girl came at him and her mother with a sizeable knife down a narrow hallway, at which point he shot her. There was a lot of naysaying about how he should have "just disarmed her", but people vastly overestimate how easy it is to do that with anyone, even if you have more physical strength - or at least how easy it is to do so without serious injury to anyone involved.

[down]

No word yet on whether their department had body cameras or not.

edited 9th Jul '16 6:10:43 AM by ironballs16

"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#129425: Jul 9th 2016 at 6:09:51 AM

Do we actually know if she attacked the officer? Do we have it on camera?

Oh really when?

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