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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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That'll be the public response, but policymakers are no doubt perfectly aware that attempting to crack down further on minorities is only going to radicalize more people unless they're willing to go all the way with it, which is both morally repugnant and politically impossible.
edited 8th Jul '16 8:48:15 AM by CaptainCapsase
Sure, and they're going to be saying the same dismissive things people in this very thread say about groups like Y'all Qaeda or the Oath Keepers: "Pfft, let 'em. If they want to start a war, we'll crush them with our overwhelming might."
edited 8th Jul '16 8:53:04 AM by TobiasDrake
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(if you don't get the joke, famed guitarist Joe Walsh had an album called There Goes the Neighborhood)
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?Do the greens still even hold their niche in the current scheme of things? On paper they just come off as "the same but more" in regards to most US liberal's ideas of climate policies, with an added dash of supporting pseudoscience nonsense when it comes to healthcare (though IIRC Stein herself doesn't go along with this but promotes the idea of a "choice" in medicine).
edited 8th Jul '16 8:55:55 AM by carbon-mantis
@mantis: Most of the pseudoscience has been thrown out of the platform over the past year or so, and as far as policy proposalsgoes ", there's a major difference on military (the greens are fairly anti-military compared to the pro-military democrats). Now that said, beyond official platforms, a lot of democrats are every bit as procorporate as the GOP, albeit emphasizing different areas of the economy. That's a major difference, and while the realities of being a major party would compromise that, with a right wing party that's living in the 21st century when it comes to social justice issues, there's a lot more room for substantial change, since the democrats would no longer be able to take the votes of minorities and people sympathetic to social justice issues for granted.
@Tobias: That's how it starts of course. But these kinds of issues tend to fester the longer they go unaddressed, and they are indeed typically left to fester. Consider the labor movement. Thousands of people died in the United States, among them many of the authorities. It's tragic when matters are allowed to escalate to this point, but in terms of history, it's more common than not for a looming issue to be ignored until it becomes a serious crisis.
edited 8th Jul '16 9:20:00 AM by CaptainCapsase
@ Ogodei:
More like: Avoiding everyone is what [the police] should be doing unless there's suspicion of an actual crime or a real threat. Is that better?
And when it comes to blacks — I wonder if some departments will basically give anyone black a free pass to do whatever they like?
Keep Rolling OnCommunity support can be a police duty regardless of if a crime has occurred.
As for black people getting a free pass to do whatever, I doubt it, however people may get a free pass to do whatever to black people.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWhy should the police avoid people? They should be part of their communities: building rapport, developing relationships, and otherwise making sure that the people they serve know that they can be trusted and counted on.
Having a police officer be an anonymous bogeyman whom you only see when you did something BAD is exactly the opposite of the proper way to handle things.
edited 8th Jul '16 9:43:49 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"What's needed is a complete reworking of the police and how the criminal justice system operates in general. That won't happen, because apathy, inertia, the prison-industrial complex wants its money and slaves, and America's political shit show of a government dominated by reactionary Republican racist assholes and nutjobs, are all holding it back.
edited 8th Jul '16 9:47:14 AM by Ekuran
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Yes. The world of Judge Dredd creates its own problems by eliminating due process. Someone committing a crime, or who might merely be suspected of committing one, has no incentive to "go peaceably", since there is no appeal from being sentenced on the spot by some thug with a badge.
A population should not live in abject terror of its police.
edited 8th Jul '16 9:46:46 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!""So apparently, Jill Stein has offered to step aside as the party's nominee for Bernie Sanders. The response of course has been polite silence. If Trump was polling at 10% and the GOP was slated to lose half of congress, I'd say go for it since at that point it's clear the GOP would soon be going the way of the Whigs which creates an opening for a new major party to take their place as the opposition but as things stand the GOP is still politically potent enough that doing so would risk a Trump presidency. It would be nice if the Greens did well enough to get federal funding though (10% of votes), since that would pave the way for them to become a major party if the GOP continues it's spiral towards collapse."
Ugh, what an idiot she is. Her underdog fetish would ruin the American left.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
Americs doesn't currently have a left, just a far right and a center, and the far right is on it's way to a meltdown given the current party alignment is pretty much unsustainable. If the GOP falls, a new opposition party will end up taking their place, and if that party is living in the 21st century, we might start seeing real progress on social issues. Given the extent to which they intermingle with corporate America, there's little prospect of progressive economic reform coming from them unless they're competing with a party that's further left than they are.
edited 8th Jul '16 10:01:35 AM by CaptainCapsase
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Can we stop it with that already? I get the point people are trying to make but going "the only real American's are the Native Americans" honestly makes no sense.
What you are describing happened hundreds of years ago and most people have no connection at all to their "ancestral lands". Imply that the people of today stole the land they live on is ridiculous.
Edit: Like, acknowledge the tragedy of it all and try to make things better for their descendants but I feel like it should go without saying what the problem is with "you weren't hear first so you have no right to complain."
edited 8th Jul '16 10:21:30 AM by LSBK
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The left in America more or less collapsed in the post Reagen era; leaving the center right Republicans pitted against the centrist democrats. The Republicans have gone off into their own alternate reality of far right delusions, pulling the democrats even further right to compete. With the GOP looking poised to go the way of the Whigs, there's room for another party, and I'md much rather have a center versus left political spectrum in America than center versus right.
edited 8th Jul '16 10:22:37 AM by CaptainCapsase
Of course CNN is going with the most sensationalist bullshit they can think of. The death of the cops not engaged in any active wrongdoing to a lone wolf racist nutcase (and yeah, I don't care who you are, anyone who targets a group of people for murder because of their race is a racist) is a tragedy, but if five deaths really is the worst day for cops since 9/11 then I'd say they have it pretty damn good.
I've never understood treating everywhere else on the planet as some unified "left" that the US is to the right of. Like, stuff like Brexit and far right parties in other European countries should make it pretty clear it's not that cut and dry but people keep doing it.
I would say gives certain people a sense of superiority (which I find a lot, actually) but then a lot of Americans just accept it as fact without ever stating why.
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It wasn't a lone wolf, afaik there was at least two shooters, perhaps as many as four.
Judging America relative to its peers (the rest of the developed world) in terms of its politicial leanings is hardly unreasonable. As far as things like Brexit go, that's an example of how Europe has been veering right in the past few years, to disastrous effect.
edited 8th Jul '16 10:31:29 AM by CaptainCapsase

Former Congressman Joe Walsh declared war on Obama before having to delete his tweet.
God forbid Twitter enforce its rules!
edited 8th Jul '16 8:55:36 AM by AlleyOop