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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#129276: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:34:58 PM

Again, I refuse to believe Trump will win from this.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Bat178 Since: May, 2011
#129277: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:35:44 PM

[up][up] Or if we are lucky, he'll get shot before then.

JackOLantern1337 Shameful Display from The Most Miserable Province in the Russian Empir Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#129278: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:39:12 PM

[up] And then what? Will these people who already see themselves as backed into a corner just stand down because their leader was murdered?

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#129279: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:39:31 PM

(Un?)Fortunately, this whole thing will likely be old news by November. Whether that's good or bad depends on how you look at things. People have short attention spans, remember.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129280: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:42:06 PM

That's not lucky. He'll become a martyr to galvanize the radical right.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#129281: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:42:47 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I don't. We are about to see a huge Blue Lives Matter resurgence and really all trump has to do is keep saying his usual lines but about cops and black people, which will gain a lot of support across the country.

Hillary won't and shouldn't get as tough because many of her supporters are on the other side of the fence.

This is literally the worst thing that could have happened.

edited 7th Jul '16 9:45:30 PM by Memers

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#129282: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:43:28 PM

@LSBK-

What? (sorry, couldn't resist)

Seriously though, you are right that for better or worse, people have short attention spans, but like now, this horrific action changed the news from "police unjustifiably killing people" (especially with Castile) to "murderous BLM protesters" or at best, "both sides are bad".

edited 7th Jul '16 9:44:06 PM by Hodor2

RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#129283: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:46:29 PM

I'm now a little concerned for the future safety of the man whose likeness was distributed, and then turned himself in. We can now be pretty confident he wasn't involved in the shooting, but the racist revenge-seeking thugs of the world may not care.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#129284: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:47:45 PM

I'm not really sure that this will lead to a backlash against BLM among anyone who wasn't already predisposed to think of them as the enemy. A more likely problem is that it might radicalize both BLM and Y'all Qaeda at the same time - which, I'm given to understand, is not going to make the Deep South any more pleasant to live in than it already is.

But right now, we don't know what the hell's going on yet.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#129285: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:47:57 PM

Guys, quit acting like this is the second coming of the ANC-AWB clashes of the 80s and 90s.

If you don't fly off the handle when any other group of idiots tries something showy like this, there's no reason to feed the egos of these clowns, either. :/

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#129286: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:53:19 PM

When you freak out over the actions of terrorists, that means they've already succeeded in beating you. That's their whole mode of operation, to scare you and make you afraid of what they'll do. You can't let that fear get to you, otherwise they win.

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RBluefish Since: Nov, 2013
#129287: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:56:01 PM

Videos have surfaced of the man who was previously thought to be a suspect - he was there the entire time. There is proof that he is completely innocent. Hopefully that'll be enough to keep him safe.

"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#129288: Jul 7th 2016 at 9:57:19 PM

Although it's tragic things have come to this, the unfortunate reality is that it's exceedingly rare for serious reforms to happen before things reach a breaking point. Thousands of people in the US alone were killed during the labor movement and civil rights movement, and in many cases the authorities were among the victims. I can only hope the necessary change happens before matters deteriorate further.

[up][up] Strictly speaking, these criminals weren't terrorists; terrorism is defined as violence or threats of violence against civilians carried out for political purposes, and this attack did not target civilians, AFAIK.

edited 7th Jul '16 10:05:22 PM by CaptainCapsase

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#129289: Jul 7th 2016 at 10:04:40 PM

I think "transit cop escorting a protest march" is pretty far over on the civilian spectrum (technically civilian means non-military which would include all cops, but what with the increasing militarization of SWAT teams...).

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#129290: Jul 7th 2016 at 10:07:53 PM

[up] That's an attack on non-combatant personnel, which is its own war crimes, but given the militarization of American police, I don't think it's appropriate to call the police forces of the States a civilian organization in practice.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#129291: Jul 7th 2016 at 10:08:30 PM

We are jumping to some conclusions here. We don't know that the motive has a damn thing to do with BLM yet.

[up]I agree, but not for the same reasons. BLM killing cops is a revenge killing, pure and simple.

edited 7th Jul '16 10:09:20 PM by Ramidel

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#129292: Jul 7th 2016 at 10:11:22 PM

Transit cop means the beat patrols that work on the public transit system. In some cases they are employed by the transit company though I don't know what the case is here. Their usual work is stuff like catching and ejecting fare jumpers and breaking up minor altercations.

[up]We don't know if the shooters have claimed any affiliation with any group and they were located seperate from the protesters (shooting from on a building), so don't say that BLM was responsible.

edited 7th Jul '16 10:13:40 PM by Elle

AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#129293: Jul 7th 2016 at 10:13:39 PM

Guys, you know you're the only ones saying it was BLM killing cops? Nothing's been said about BLM as an organization (or even as rogue members) being responsible for shooting people. It is way to fucking early to make that assumption, and you're kind of feeding into the narrative that BLM is bad with that. Can we at least save that sort of speculation for until the cops confirm something for us?

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#129295: Jul 8th 2016 at 12:15:28 AM

Nothing's been said about BLM as an organization (or even as rogue members) being responsible for shooting people.

Not to be nitpicky, but Black Lives Matter isn't an organization; it's a slogan and a name for a general movement, so it technically doesn't have members (rogue or otherwise), just people who identify themselves with it.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#129296: Jul 8th 2016 at 12:19:07 AM

That Paul Manafort was involved with all kinds of unsavoury people has been known for quite a while.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#129297: Jul 8th 2016 at 12:20:41 AM

I remember people from That Certain Hashtag (not sure if this kinda mention is breaking the rules, nor am I trying to say they're comparable outside this point) making the same argument about not having members because it's not an organized or centralized movement. Such is the nature of Twitter and modern organizing I guess.

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#129298: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:25:29 AM

I belive BLM does actually have chapters and organisations groups, as in its not just a slogan. At lest that's what I've been told here before.

Also the Trump fear people need to stop freaking out at every instance, they're aren't enough strait, old, white, men in the US to elect Trump. So unless someone can provide an argument for how this will swing the LGBT community, the youth community, the minority community or the women community, might swing to Trump because of this I'm not seeing it.

As for the shooting itself, I'm seeing reports of three dead at the protest and one dead at the garage standoff. My thoughts out to the families of thosue dead.

edited 8th Jul '16 2:26:53 AM by Silasw

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#129299: Jul 8th 2016 at 2:38:41 AM

[up] Trump isn't going to be elected unless widespread violence causes people to stay home out of fear. Like, imagine some guy shoots up a polling place in a major black community.

edited 8th Jul '16 2:40:17 AM by CaptainCapsase

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#129300: Jul 8th 2016 at 4:21:42 AM

Yeah, this shooting isn't going to magically improve Trump's numbers with Latinos or women, or improve his ground game.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

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