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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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I don't. We are about to see a huge Blue Lives Matter resurgence and really all trump has to do is keep saying his usual lines but about cops and black people, which will gain a lot of support across the country.
Hillary won't and shouldn't get as tough because many of her supporters are on the other side of the fence.
This is literally the worst thing that could have happened.
edited 7th Jul '16 9:45:30 PM by Memers
@LSBK-
What? (sorry, couldn't resist)
Seriously though, you are right that for better or worse, people have short attention spans, but like now, this horrific action changed the news from "police unjustifiably killing people" (especially with Castile) to "murderous BLM protesters" or at best, "both sides are bad".
edited 7th Jul '16 9:44:06 PM by Hodor2
I'm now a little concerned for the future safety of the man whose likeness was distributed, and then turned himself in. We can now be pretty confident he wasn't involved in the shooting, but the racist revenge-seeking thugs of the world may not care.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."I'm not really sure that this will lead to a backlash against BLM among anyone who wasn't already predisposed to think of them as the enemy. A more likely problem is that it might radicalize both BLM and Y'all Qaeda at the same time - which, I'm given to understand, is not going to make the Deep South any more pleasant to live in than it already is.
But right now, we don't know what the hell's going on yet.
Although it's tragic things have come to this, the unfortunate reality is that it's exceedingly rare for serious reforms to happen before things reach a breaking point. Thousands of people in the US alone were killed during the labor movement and civil rights movement, and in many cases the authorities were among the victims. I can only hope the necessary change happens before matters deteriorate further.
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Strictly speaking, these criminals weren't terrorists; terrorism is defined as violence or threats of violence against civilians carried out for political purposes, and this attack did not target civilians, AFAIK.
edited 7th Jul '16 10:05:22 PM by CaptainCapsase
Transit cop means the beat patrols that work on the public transit system. In some cases they are employed by the transit company though I don't know what the case is here. Their usual work is stuff like catching and ejecting fare jumpers and breaking up minor altercations.
We don't know if the shooters have claimed any affiliation with any group and they were located seperate from the protesters (shooting from on a building), so don't say that BLM was responsible.
edited 7th Jul '16 10:13:40 PM by Elle
Guys, you know you're the only ones saying it was BLM killing cops? Nothing's been said about BLM as an organization (or even as rogue members) being responsible for shooting people. It is way to fucking early to make that assumption, and you're kind of feeding into the narrative that BLM is bad with that. Can we at least save that sort of speculation for until the cops confirm something for us?
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Not to be nitpicky, but Black Lives Matter isn't an organization; it's a slogan and a name for a general movement, so it technically doesn't have members (rogue or otherwise), just people who identify themselves with it.
I remember people from That Certain Hashtag (not sure if this kinda mention is breaking the rules, nor am I trying to say they're comparable outside this point) making the same argument about not having members because it's not an organized or centralized movement. Such is the nature of Twitter and modern organizing I guess.
I belive BLM does actually have chapters and organisations groups, as in its not just a slogan. At lest that's what I've been told here before.
Also the Trump fear people need to stop freaking out at every instance, they're aren't enough strait, old, white, men in the US to elect Trump. So unless someone can provide an argument for how this will swing the LGBT community, the youth community, the minority community or the women community, might swing to Trump because of this I'm not seeing it.
As for the shooting itself, I'm seeing reports of three dead at the protest and one dead at the garage standoff. My thoughts out to the families of thosue dead.
edited 8th Jul '16 2:26:53 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Again, I refuse to believe Trump will win from this.
Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?