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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#129201: Jul 7th 2016 at 4:49:05 PM

[up][up][up] Sorry about that, it just a bit ago came up as breaking news. It may just be sparse because info's still incoming.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#129202: Jul 7th 2016 at 4:50:10 PM

They also might be investigating ways of improving security and tech to make sure it doesn't happen again.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#129203: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:13:26 PM

Y'know...

Benghazi was truely smoke and mirrors (considering, even if there was some conspiracy, it'd be on Obama and not her) but this email thing looks less and less manufactured to me.

I mean, I think for the sake of America's future she shouldn't be punished (beyond also the practical implications for other people at State), but she really screwed the pooch on this one, unintentionally or not. I can honestly say if the GOP had someone competant on their side for president right now, I'd vote for them.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#129204: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:16:55 PM

Yeah...there's an alternate timeline where Jeb Bush or Rubio is prepared to win a landslide election due to this scandal, but this is not that reality-Trump renders Hillary the lesser evil.

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ILoveDogs Since: May, 2010
#129205: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:21:25 PM

I don't like that line of thinking. The whole "if she can't be trusted with her e-mails, how can we trust her with the country" thing feels overblown.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
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#129206: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:22:46 PM

Voting for the Republican candidate to "punish" Hillary for perceived wrongdoing at State is akin to the people who voted Leave in the Brexit referendum as a "protest vote" against what they saw as a corrupt political system. It is hard to imagine a world in which doing so generates any benefits for the voters that are not outweighed by the awful things that their vote leads to.

Look at it rationally: you have an email scandal vs...

  • Denying healthcare to millions of Americans.
  • Denying LGBT individuals civil rights.
  • Slashing funding to social security, welfare, education, in the name of "budget responsibility", whilst cutting taxes by trillions on top income earners.
  • Destroying labor laws, workplace safety regulations, etc.
  • Ignoring climate change.
  • Waging an "eye for an eye" war against terrorists.
  • Deporting millions of illegal residents.

The list goes on. By issuing a protest vote, you tell the people in power that you don't mind if they do any of that stuff as long as they don't engage in dodgy security practices. It's worth noting that those policies are not just Trump's; they are the official platform of the GOP.

edited 7th Jul '16 5:24:04 PM by Fighteer

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#129207: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:23:10 PM

Eh, this email thing is nothing. She's getting the third degree for jaywalking. This is nothing more than a witch hunt.

Oh really when?
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#129208: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:24:04 PM

Jeb could barely keep people awake, and Rubio barely did his job. I don't think either of them inspired much passion or faith in their competence. These problems existed before Trump was a factor. That's the kind of atmosphere that makes people not care enough to go to the booth.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#129209: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:25:00 PM

The way I look at it is a privately run email server is chump change when most republicans want to privatize the entire freaken country.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#129210: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:39:14 PM

@Fighteer - Who said anything about a protest vote? I'm merely looking for a competant person. I don't give a damn about the party. Nor Progressive Ideological (or Conservative Ideological) purity.

EDIT- Which is why I'm still voting for her, but damn she makes it hard.

edited 7th Jul '16 5:39:39 PM by FFShinra

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#129211: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:39:34 PM

Why are we assuming that Jeb and Rubio could overcome the Obama coalition? Because I haven't seen a shred of evidence that would suggest otherwise

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#129212: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:40:24 PM

Hil maintains that coalition only because Trump makes it easy for her to do so.

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#129213: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:58:54 PM

Shinra you can look all you want, but the Republican Party platform requires a massive level of incompetence and immorality. Clinton has a minor screw up on her record but she's still feel are better then any Republican candidate, because push come to shove she doesn't belive the dangerous things that Republicans are required to belive.

It's not about ideological purity, it's about being a competent force able to goverment, and the Republican Party as an institution is not that.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#129214: Jul 7th 2016 at 6:06:14 PM

Hence my "I don't care about the party". Once in the White House, the president tends to act differently from the party itself, on either side.

And like I said, I'm voting for her because she is competant. But I'd seriously consider a Kasich or, yes, a Jeb.

I don't presume the candidate, of either party, will focus on much of the party platform once in power...there simply isn't enough time or opportunity for them to do so. So I judge them by the issue they care about most. The rest of the platform, that depends on congress.

I support Hil precisely because she is a foreign policy wonk. Add to the fact that the presidency has the most power over said issue, and I trust her to be able to fulfill it.

All I'm saying is she makes it hard sometimes. And I've said it before, Trump can't win this but she can lose it, and its stupid shit like this that edges percentages against her favor.

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#129215: Jul 7th 2016 at 6:15:33 PM

Sure but let's look at their policies, Kasich cares about taking the US back to the gold standard (which is economic suicide) and Jeb has much bigger skeletons in his closet then some email server, there's Florida 2000, there his desire to follow in his brother's foreign policy footsteps (as seem by him reusing the same forign policy team).

You can say judge them on their actions and what they care about but in the end one of their actions is joining a party that focuses on hatred and causing economic ruin, their actions include endorsing such a platform and campaigning on it.

Hell is pretty sure they will have both commited to ending the Iran nuclear deal and repealing Obamacare, thosue are their actions and things they care about.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#129216: Jul 7th 2016 at 6:36:18 PM

We should probably try not to pick on people who hate Clinton and are only voting for her because the alternative is...well, as you see. This race is making it difficult enough on honest conservatives.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#129217: Jul 7th 2016 at 6:38:39 PM

This election is making social media a goddamn minefield. I just had to unfollow four people on Facebook. It's making me really concerned about Clinton's prospects in 2020.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#129218: Jul 7th 2016 at 6:51:40 PM

Things that make you go hmm: Remember the Ted Cruz adultery scandal and it's convenient timing and that it was noted that Trump and the guy who owns it might be friends? Well I was going through the grocery store checkout on a snack run and they're now parroting "Crooked Hillary" as a front page tagline.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#129219: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:06:21 PM

Yeah, 4 out of 5 conservative things I follow are bending over backwards for Trump, which makes things hard. ("Having fetters is how we keep losing!" Is an argument I'm tired of hearing)

I'd take any of the GOP candidates over Hillary, except for Trump-at some point a line has to be drawn.

Leviticus 19:34
flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#129221: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:15:53 PM

Yeah-he's at the edge of what I'll support but I'd vote for him if got the nomination.

Leviticus 19:34
tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
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#129222: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:16:56 PM

Multiple shots heard at a Dallas protest.

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#129223: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:17:11 PM

[up][up]Eh, sure.

I'd honestly take Trump over any GOP candidate. At least Trump can screw the GOP for a few terms.

edited 7th Jul '16 7:17:32 PM by flameboy21th

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pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#129224: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:22:26 PM

"Crooked Hillary" is just a cheap ploy to convince people of something that isn't really true. Compare "Honest John's Used Cars." Who actually believes something like that?

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flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
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#129225: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:24:40 PM

Not that it's false, just irrelevant.

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