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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#129152: Jul 7th 2016 at 10:59:37 AM

Ryan's trying:

A) To schmooze to Trump, so if Trump by a miracle gets in, Trump will sign Ryan's Budget. (He's said as much)

B) Avoid the rest of the House GOP from hanging him and start replacing each other. Basically he's a man standing on a 4 legged chair that only has 3 legs, with a rope around his neck.

As to Hillary, apparently the rules she was breaking were changed after Kerry got in, so it's technically no longer illegal, but she's guilty of doing it while it was active at the time. So the unreasonable-ness issue has been fixed. But she's still at fault for not following it back then.

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#129153: Jul 7th 2016 at 11:04:38 AM

[up][up] They just won't stop trying, will they? That rule is designed to give aborted fetuses the same treatment as live humans in order to "person" them.

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#129154: Jul 7th 2016 at 11:06:05 AM

So, how long before abortion clinics in Texas conspicuously install fireplaces?

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#129155: Jul 7th 2016 at 11:06:40 AM

[up] That's rather macabre...

Now that I think about it, funeral cremation and/or burial are very expensive compared to medical waste disposal; this could be an attempt to make abortion less accessible by raising the cost to a level that's unaffordable for many people.

As such, it would run directly afoul of the "undue burden" test that SCOTUS applied in its most recent ruling. Between that and the rule granting implicit "personhood" to aborted fetuses, I'm not sure which part of it is worse.

edited 7th Jul '16 11:39:09 AM by Fighteer

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#129157: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:11:54 PM

Finally. Hopefully that literally means he'll drop out as well.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#129158: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:17:15 PM

This is probably too little too late though. Most Sanders supporters seem eager to back Gary Johnson or Jill Stein.

ironballs16 Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
#129159: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:21:49 PM

[up]

Pretty sure he's gone on-record as wanting to stay in until the convention, at least officially speaking.

And, piggy-backing on the glossed-over shooting of a Concealed Carry holder in Minnesota during a routine traffic stop, there was also one in Baton Rouge where, while the guy did have a gun, it seems like it never left his hip pocket, and a white guy in California where the cops shot him twice AFTER he was laying prone on the ground.

While I'll give credit to the department in Baton Rouge for cooperating fully with Federal authorities in the aftermath, it is a bit suspect that allegedly both body-cams went off-center at the exact same time.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#129160: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:34:13 PM

[up][up]Polls have shown that over 80% of Sanders supporters will vote for Clinton. That will probably rise as time passes and a formal endorsement comes.

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#129161: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:35:07 PM

[up] Last I heard, the number of Sanders supporters who have said they would not vote for Clinton was down from its peak of 20 percent to 8 percent.

edited 7th Jul '16 12:35:24 PM by Fighteer

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#129162: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:39:57 PM

Question - are these surveys of the same Sanders supporters? Like, are they Sanders supporters who formerly wouldn't vote for Clinton but now would, or is this a case of Sanders supporters that formerly said they wouldn't having already jumped ship to other candidates which means the proportion would naturally go down?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#129163: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:40:34 PM

I wasn't aware it had fallen that far. But it shows that people screaming on social media aren't reflective of the general population. Go figure.

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#129164: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:42:18 PM

[up][up] Surveys don't generally track the same people over time. When they are cited in this manner, they are national polls that randomly select participants.

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#129165: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:45:43 PM

So it's possible this isn't necessarily "never Clinton" Sanders supporters changing their minds?

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#129166: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:46:56 PM

A difference of 12 percent is way over the statistical error in the surveys.

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megarockman from The Sixth Borough (Experienced Trainee)
#129167: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:51:20 PM

It is, but it's not clear to me the reason behind the drop in percentage (or what proportion of the drop is one reason compared to another).

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#129168: Jul 7th 2016 at 1:09:10 PM

It's not exactly the same people but it's the same groups of people, so they will be polling the same kind of Sanders supporters so that they have a representative sample of Sanders supporters.

When they say "Sanders supporters" it means "a representative sample of Sanders supporters".

The "Never Clinton" lot may not be changing their minds, but if they're not then they clearly make up at most 8% of Sanders supporters, and that's assuming that all of the "I'd really rather not", "do we have to" and "Trump can't actually be that crazy can he?" lot have all now said they'd vote for Clinton.

edited 7th Jul '16 1:11:22 PM by Silasw

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AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#129169: Jul 7th 2016 at 1:11:47 PM

Does anyone even know that Jill Stein is running this election? I hardly ever hear anything about her, and when I do it's from this thread. Gary Johnson managed to get a TV interview or two, but otherwise do people know who he is? These are serious questions; a lot of first time voters, which a lot of Sanders supporters appear to be, stand a high likelihood of never having heard of either of these people.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#129170: Jul 7th 2016 at 1:19:50 PM

Jill Stein is running, iirc. My cousin is planning on voting for her over Clinton because throwing her vote away is the smartest thing she could do.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#129171: Jul 7th 2016 at 1:21:23 PM

[up] well if she was never going to vote Clinton in the first place at least the vote don't affect her or Trump's numbers either way.

edited 7th Jul '16 1:21:46 PM by sgamer82

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#129172: Jul 7th 2016 at 1:21:34 PM

To be fair, it's only really throwing your vote away if it's a swing state.

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#129173: Jul 7th 2016 at 1:26:30 PM

Non-swing state votes still effect spending, confidence, public mandate and chance of snowballing.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#129174: Jul 7th 2016 at 1:45:27 PM

I don't think I've heard a politician be quite so blunt on this issue:

The Latest: Governor: Unlikely driver would be shot if white: http://bigstory.ap.org/c6fd42155c78495fade410f507e00025&utm_source=android_app&utm_medium=copy_to_clipboard&utm_campaign=share


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