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AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#129101: Jul 6th 2016 at 10:03:38 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#129102: Jul 6th 2016 at 10:03:59 PM

More like Ice Burn, amirite?

Shadow?
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#129103: Jul 6th 2016 at 10:04:44 PM

[up][up]If it were Bernie, we could say 'Feel the BEEEEEEEEEERN!' But sadly, that is not the case.sad

SciFiSlasher from Absolutely none of your business. Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#129104: Jul 6th 2016 at 10:37:40 PM

I love how everyone is pointing out Ambars horribly faulty logic concerning Clinton and Sanders, and Ambar isn't responding. Kinda hard to keep whining about how "Clinton has it much harder!" when your whole line of thinking just got crushed, right?evil grin

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#129105: Jul 6th 2016 at 10:52:51 PM

Ahahaha. That's a good one, Hillary.

Not every President can be an Obama-level comedian, but at least she's not witless.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#129106: Jul 6th 2016 at 10:54:44 PM

[up][up] There's no need to go after other tropers. Debate is fine, but when you jump to mocking them, it's not right.

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#129107: Jul 6th 2016 at 11:08:16 PM

[up][up] This is going to be apparent during the White House Correspondence Dinner.

That's going to be cringy as all hell.

Eww.

New Survey coming this weekend!
AceofSpades Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#129108: Jul 6th 2016 at 11:08:20 PM

One, no one "crushed" his argument because that wasn't the point. Two, he's not required to respond if he has nothing further to say. Three, that statement of yours is kind of flame-baity, please refrain from that kind of taunting.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#129109: Jul 7th 2016 at 12:45:59 AM

We don't know if that was Hil herself or her media team. I reserve judgement on comedic wit until she says something at the WHCD or in some interview.

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United Earth
#129110: Jul 7th 2016 at 1:40:53 AM

Hillaryty Ensues.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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#129111: Jul 7th 2016 at 2:17:20 AM

Isn't the WHCD just delivery anyway? Wouldn't the same team that wrote this joke write her jokes for the dinner? Now delivery is important, but let's not act like Clinton is suddenly going to have to write her own material.

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Perian Since: Jun, 2016
#129112: Jul 7th 2016 at 3:04:51 AM

Screw that. I'm not paying tribute to him. He ran. He lost. He lost by a fair amount, in fact. To act like the party or progressives in general owe him so much is to, in many ways, spit in the face of the first female nominee.
The Democratic Party doesn't owe Sanders anything. However, they definitely owe the 45% of registered Democrats who voted for him something. If you really think she can win with only the people who voted for her, you'll come in for a nasty surprise in November.

  • States (i.e. Republican states) are allowed to opt out, a la Obamacare.
  • It has a 10 hour a week work requirement (which could have damaging consequence to jobs at the college's in-campus stores and jobs held in the surrounding area.) in the interest of garnering conservative votes.
  • They want to have administrative costs gutted to help pay for this/cover this, by automating and firing people as much as possible
Ugh, that's terrible. Just when I was warming up to her sad

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#129113: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:08:48 AM

I feel bad for playing the Devil's Advocate here, but I'm still a bit ambivalent to the idea that Trump was intentionally invoking the Star of David there. I mean, it is a pretty generic symbol, and that colouring book he tweeted does effectively demonstrate that.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#129114: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:11:15 AM

I've learned when it comes to white supremacists like him to never assume good faith. Very rarely has that ever been an incorrect assumption.

Oh really when?
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#129115: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:28:01 AM

[up] Yeah, were it anyone else it might even have gone by unnoticed, but Trump's track record of bigotry works against him here.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#129116: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:28:25 AM

Given Trump's history of racist and implicitly racist statements and actions, he's long since used up any benefit of the doubt in that regard.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#129117: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:32:45 AM

It's worth saying his old address to the Jewish Republican groups boiled down to "I sure do love being greedy and manipulative just like you guys. Vote for me."

edited 7th Jul '16 5:33:22 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
Ogodei Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers from The front lines Since: Jan, 2011
Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
#129118: Jul 7th 2016 at 5:46:56 AM

Opt-in for the tuition-free college thing should work better than it did for Medicaid. Despite the Republicans being full-willing to spite the people of their states over it, Medicaid's still something that's just for the poor. Middle class benefits like that will be harder to spurn and get away with it, even upper-middle class people will appreciate not having this financial burden.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#129119: Jul 7th 2016 at 6:16:32 AM

[up] It's hard capped at $125,000 however.

edited 7th Jul '16 6:41:14 AM by CaptainCapsase

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#129120: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:18:03 AM

[up]x7 Trump himself may not have intended any anti-semitism (and that's debatable), but the image originated and was previously circulated among many pro-racism sites.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#129121: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:32:27 AM

On Rachel Maddow last night (sans Rachel, who had the night off), a former Assistant Secretary of State was trying to downplay the FBI report on Clinton's use of private email by saying that Carney was not correctly describing the emails that contained marked classified information. Way to stay classy, folks. Rather than admitting that you did things inappropriately and claiming that you had no choice if you wanted to do business, you make all these evasions and contradictions that weaken your case in the public's eye. Do you not realize that, like all other kinda-sorta-maybe scandals, perception is everything when it comes to whether people will vote for Hillary?

[up] Yes. A Star of David superimposed on piles of cash is textbook anti-Semitic code. Even if unintentional (which, as noted, is extremely unlikely), it's unbelievably insensitive and stupid, and Trump has been bringing these folks out of the woodwork in droves with such tactics whilst tacitly accepting their support. White nationalists, KKK members, anti-Semites, anti-Islamic hate groups, anti-Hispanics... they're all flocking to his banner. "Finally, someone understands us!"

edited 7th Jul '16 7:35:49 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#129122: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:52:51 AM

@Silas - You are correct, but part of comedic wit is delivery.

@Fighteer - Thats because "its too old to use" is not a true statement. It was an institutional momentum where secrecy wasn't taken seriously due to the overuse of the classification system, and therefore for the sake of ease, sidestepped. People won't understand that though, at least not in a tv blurb, so they do the spin instead.

They should just admit mistakes were made and move on.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#129123: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:54:46 AM

"They should just admit mistakes were made and move on."

Pretty much this. Hemming and hawing and offering all these circumlocutions only makes them look shadier.

Of course, part of the problem is that State's systems still haven't been upgraded (as I understand), so this situation is not actually going to improve. Its personnel will still evade the security apparatus out of convenience regardless of any FBI report, so any apology would look hypocritical.

edited 7th Jul '16 7:55:58 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#129124: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:56:36 AM

speaking of, Comey is testifying live before the House Oversight Committee.

EDIT- Again, its not because of outdated systems. Its because of the classification system. State business doesn't require bleeding edge tech.

edited 7th Jul '16 7:57:37 AM by FFShinra

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#129125: Jul 7th 2016 at 7:57:45 AM

Yeah, Republicans on five or more committees all want his head on a platter. How dare he not deliver the answers they wanted!

On the security issue, okay, yes, there are two problems. One is the technology, and the other is the security rules themselves. Fundamentally, government agencies like State exist in an eternal tension between the people whose job it is to do the government's business and the people whose job it is to keep information secret. The current balance seems to be that, if you don't break the rules too egregiously, you just get a slap on the wrist, and everyone generally agrees to look the other way about things like using private email because of the added convenience.

Whether this is a viable state of affairs is an open question, but it's not the question Republicans are asking (after all, they didn't give a damn when their people were in State). They want Hillary's scalp, and they don't care how they get it.

edited 7th Jul '16 8:10:54 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

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