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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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Yeah, I've run into that one. It sucks, and it means I won't be patronizing whatever business does that.
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If it serves no purpose that justifies its existence, yes. I'm sure that private education will remain competitive in some cases, but in a remarkably large percentage, it's little more than a scam to bilk students of their future earnings (or their family's wealth).
"They will fight it tooth and nail" is no reason not to try to reform a broken system. That's rather astoundingly defeatist. In truth, none of the ideas in the Democrats' platform could pass Congress as it's currently constituted. Doesn't mean we should give up and let Der Trumpenfuhrer take over.
edited 6th Jul '16 12:11:18 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"After Clinton took this position, I'm beginning to warm up to her.
Absurd. Society benefits immensely from lots of people having higher education. For one thing, they're less likely to vote stupidly.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Not everyone should or needs to go to college. I agree with that.
But it should be an option for everyone. Not just trust fund babies and people willing to spend the rest of their lives saddled with crippling debt.
edited 6th Jul '16 12:47:31 PM by TobiasDrake
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Naturally the reverse can be true as well. It's all about managing the money once you actually get it that decides whether you remain wealthy or not.
Of course, the one thing that needs addressing is the fact that we're now in the Information Age - it used to be that if you wanted to learn things, you had to go to colleges/universities because they were the primary source of information. Now? 5 seconds in Google and you can find incredibly detailed timelines and histories for various historic events, some of which wouldn't have seen the light of day at a formal institution. Of course, the flipside is that the same 5 seconds will lead you to "X/Y/Z of why [insert historic event] is a lie!" (and, naturally, historically-accurate porn videos/stories) - but the point is that formal education is no longer required in order to actually learn about things. But it's going to take a long time for society to catch up with that.
Pretty sure I mentioned that point with "X/Y/Z Is a lie!" segment.
edited 6th Jul '16 1:33:46 PM by ironballs16
"Why would I inflict myself on somebody else?"Tactical: Your "not everyone should or needs to go to college" is a really FUCKING STUPID argument against the whole "make college more affordable". I know that others have said that, but holy shit that's a total non-argument when it comes to making college affordable. First off, as far as I'm concerned a vocational school IS a college, as it's secondary education, and should qualify for/be covered under all the same financial aid programs as a traditional college. Second, that's not actually any fucking help at all for the hundreds of thousands of kids that are trying to get an affordable education. Saying that vocational schools should be included in the plan is the far more logical and helpful argument to make here. Because a vocational/trade school is a continued education, for a specific thing. (And frankly a lot of community colleges are starting to verge onto vocational schools, with their specific programs.)
As for the whole "it will never pass" thing, I say this: The fucking ACA was never going to pass either. And look where we are now.
You can also find a fuckton of WRONG information, bubbles of social networks reinforcing that wrong information, and circlejerk arguments full of people who don't take kindly to any kind of correction. The Information Age is not the Wisdom Age.
edited 6th Jul '16 1:31:39 PM by AceofSpades
They would hit a wall as soon as we start getting out of "textbook" territory and into the world of scientific and academic papers. Blanket subscriptions to peer-reviewed journals are fairly prohibitive.
edited 6th Jul '16 1:39:11 PM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.A better educated population is more or less never a bad thing; the more educaged a population is the less willing they are to put up with exploitation and abuse from their leaders.
I know, but older stuff is often free; you obviously won't be able to be current without secondary education, but you can do a lot more than you would've prior to the Internet.
edited 6th Jul '16 1:42:42 PM by CaptainCapsase
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Exactly. Theoretically, someone could learn quite a lot from online self-teaching, but there is still a limit to how much information that can be found online versus physical publications. Not to mention that finding the best places for information online is something provided by college institutions.
Similarly, colleges should also teach you how to apply that learning. Speaking for myself, learning about history is one thing, writing about history in a professional manner is another. And colleges provide an avenue to practice the practice.
I've heard college is different in that respect. But then I'm told that by people encouraging me to go, which I haven't partly due to cost and partly because I've no special desire to motivate me (and all that cost and commitment won't amount to much if I don't at least have a plan going in, I feel)
Wasn't there a lot of criticism aimed at the prison keeping Manning for putting her on suicide watch (which means depriving her of things she might kill herself with)? Because it seems like that watch might have been a good idea.
Oh and with the "a bunch of successful people didn't go to college" I think a lot actually dropped out, as in they got a certain level of education from it then finished. I know that the first year of US college has been compared to the last year of UK regular school.
edited 6th Jul '16 2:46:14 PM by Silasw
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