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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
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wasn't that an actual ploy used by the Soviet Union about JKF's assassination?
as an aside, why isn't the FBI reccomending Clinton be prosecuted? I just saw the statetement, and the director was saying several email chains contained classified information at the time they were sent. How is that not a crime?
edited 5th Jul '16 8:40:41 AM by TheWanted
For what it's worth, some conspiracy theorists do, in fact, call other conspiracy theorists plants from the conspirators themselves. For example, David Icke's conspiracy theory is so out-of-left field that other conspiracy theorists have argued he was sent by the Illuminati/whatever to make other conspiracy theorists look crazy by association with him.
Leviticus 19:34Which is not to say that I might be totally above politics in such a position — were I the FBI director and tasked with making a judgment call that might hand the country to Donald Trump, I would find it hard to remain unbiased.
People have trouble accepting that the criminal justice system is not the venue for addressing social causes. Just because the deaths of Treyvon Martin and Freddie Gray didn't result in convictions doesn't mean that racism isn't a thing (or that racism is such a thing that you can murder brown people and get away with it). It just means that it wasn't proven beyond a reasonable doubt that those people in those situations were guilty of a criminal offense. And on the flip side, the fact that they're not recommending prosecution of Hilary Clinton (and that she'd probably be found not guilty if she was prosecuted) doesn't mean she didn't screw up and do something she shouldn't have, it just means that getting a conviction (which is deliberately difficult in our criminal justice system, because we as a society have decided that it's better to set guilty men free than to imprison innocent men) is a lost cause.
edited 5th Jul '16 9:01:35 AM by NativeJovian
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.It's never been prosecuted before. They'd have to arrest several prior secretaries of state.
Days like today make it easy for me to see why a sizable portion of the U.S. population is willing to back anyone who looks like he's not part of the system, even if it's Trump.
Sec. Clinton is clearly guilty of mishandling classified materials and trying to circumvent the Freedom of Information Act, but no one in the administration seems to either care or be willing to do anything about it. "No reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case" indeed.
And no one is surprised at this either.
It seems like it's been a long long time since "what's best for the country" won out over "what it takes to beat the other side."
Is anyone authentically enthusiastic about Sec. Clinton as a candidate on her own merits, and not merely as the best method at hand to stop Trump?
You can't lock her up when the last several secretaries of state have done the exact same thing.
And what pray tell is best for the country? A Trump presidency?
Yes.
I'm voting for her due to foreign policies. And yes, to stop Trump.
On the subject of emails, it seems State itself needs to get its shit together, since the FBI has said the agency as a whole seems lackdaisal with the info. Honestly, I think that more than anything is the reason no prosecutor will go after it...the entire department would have to be sacked. If there is a political angle to it, gimme evidence of exactly what angle it is. Methinks, if there is one, its that Clinton promised the FBI to let them kick State into gear security-wise if she becomes president.
On the subject of the FBI Director: I told you so.
edited 5th Jul '16 9:34:58 AM by FFShinra
@Bense: She is not guilty of anything without (a) a criminal indictment, (b) a conviction by trial. You know, that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. Ever heard of rule of law, due process?
edited 5th Jul '16 9:47:11 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"O. J. Simpson was not legally guilty of the murder of his wife, but he did murder her.
edited 5th Jul '16 9:54:06 AM by Bense
Because this is a political witch hunt. It is a manufactured scandal for the specific purpose of taking down Hillary Clinton. If Congress and/or the FBI actually cared about what SecState does with their email, they'd have investigated those others.
edited 5th Jul '16 9:54:09 AM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"If when a criminal act is investigated changes with the identity of the suspect then we have a serious problem.
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It's a security thing. The State Department e-mail system is supposedly secure, however it's apparently absurdly clunky and difficult to use. So Hillary Clinton, as well as several of her predecessors, used private e-mail systems so that they could do their job properly.
The complaints were focused on the idea that Clinton could have sent classified e-mails through the private system, but the classification system itself is all kinds of messed up. For example, tons of stuff is classified retroactively, after it becomes irrelevant, but all the rules for classified data apply even if it wasn't classified originally.
It's kind of a weird situation.
edited 5th Jul '16 10:00:34 AM by Zendervai

Hand up if anyone was surprised by Comey recommending that no prosecution happen. <sits on hands>
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